[BCAB] (BCAB Digest)

Clive.Lever at kent.gov.uk Clive.Lever at kent.gov.uk
Thu Feb 3 16:20:34 GMT 2011


Hi Kerry,

it may also be true that someone who might have had an answer to the
question deleted the message without reading, because the subject line
didn't brand it as relevant to them.

Best,
Clive

 


          
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-----Original Message-----
From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk
[mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of David Taylor
Sent: 03 February 2011 15:47
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] (BCAB Digest)

Mod note: Kerry, you're lucky I read this as the subject line gave me no
clue what you were on about. Please stick to appropriate subject lines
and answers will be easier to find. If anybody changes the topic of
discussion, it's actually better to start a brand new message to the
list with that subject, as replies with changed subject lines are often
included in the same thread as the orriginal.

Cheers
Dave

On 3 Feb 2011, at 14:23, Kerry Painter wrote:

> Am i to take it no one has an answer regarding accessible video
recording software then?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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>>  1. Re: BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION (Ibrahim Gucukoglu)  2. Re: 
>> BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION (Jackie Cairns)  3. Re: BRAILLE SENSE 
>> PLUS QUESTION (Pele West)  4. Re: Program to split MP3 files (Hussein

>> Patwa)  5. Re: JAWS vs. Supernova (Hussein Patwa)  6. Re: Program to 
>> split MP3 files (Joe Paton)  7. Re: BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION (Alan

>> Philpott)
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>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:40:17 -0000
>> From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu at sent.com>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> Message-ID: <560C237E41A7462BA5FF68FD8EBD5D2F at IbrahimGucukPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; 
>> reply-type=original
>> 
>> Hi Jackie.
>> 
>> How interesting. Perhaps there was some anomaly with the booksense 
>> firmware at the time.  I no longer own one so I cant test it out 
>> unfortunately, otherwise I would to see if I could replicate and 
>> indeed suggest a solution to the problems Martin is or was having.
>> 
>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" 
>> <jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 8:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Ibrahim
>> 
>> Yes, Martin formatted the card out of the packaging in his BookSense,

>> but it just did some rather odd things.  It wouldn't retain his 
>> settings like speed, and whenever he turned it on, it jumped back to 
>> Flash memory instead of where he left it on the SD card.  It never 
>> appeared happy, so we formatted it using the tool you recommended, 
>> and I now use it in my BrailleSense without a peep.  Martin has 
>> dropped down to a 16GB card, and this works perfectly for him on his
BookSense XT.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 16:28
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Hi Jackie.
>> 
>> Sounds perhaps a silly question I know for one of your experience, 
>> but did you format the card in the Booksense?  I've always found that

>> formatting the card in the device you intend using it on is always a 
>> good idea, even if the card is brand new.  Also, you should avoid 
>> using the same card in multiple devices to avoid extraneous 
>> directories and files from being created or folders already on the
card from being corrupted.
>> 
>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Alan
>> 
>> Actually I bought this one for Martin for his BookSense from 
>> Play.com, but it seemed to bugger about in his unit a bit, and didn't
keep the settings.
>> So when I got my BrailleSense Plus recently, I borrowed his card and 
>> have never had a problem with it.  I think, at the time I bought it, 
>> the card cost about ?64, but they have come down in price
considerably now.
>> 
>> Go to
>> www.play.com
>> In the search box, type  32GB SD card or something, and you should 
>> find what you are looking for.  I've got all sorts on mine: 
>> documents, manuals, music ... It's great.
>> 
>> Not sure why the BookSense didn't like it though.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Alan Philpott
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 10:48
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Jackie,
>> I have never come across a 32 gb sd card; how useful that must be! 
>> Where can they be purchased? No luck here in Peterborough, you see.
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>> Alan
>> (Home Tel: 01733 551852;
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 09:43
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Richard
>> 
>> He can use a USB pen, or he can use an SD card which is my way of 
>> transferring.  I have a 32GB card in my unit on which I keep all 
>> sorts of documents and music.  Whenever I want to transfer anything, 
>> I put the card into my PC, copy the file over, then go through the 
>> normal procedure of safely removing it within the System Tray.  Then 
>> I replace the card in the BrailleSense.  He should leave the unit on 
>> to remove and reinsert his cards so that the device recognises any
new material that has been added.
>> 
>> I hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 09:26
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Thanks Jackie, that's helpful.  Now, going back a step, what's the 
>> easiest way to transfer a file on to this beast?  Are there USB slots

>> he can employ to use a memory stick or anything?  I'm looking for 
>> something simple, because he's in London, and I in Scotland!  Thanks,

>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> 
>> Telephone: 01738-445 880
>> 
>> Mobile: 07791 452 593
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 08:57
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Hi Richard
>> 
>> I have a BrailleSense Plus, and a DOC file should open if he has 
>> transferred it from his PC, all mine do.  If he has a BRF or BRL 
>> file, these also open, as do RTF and TXT.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> Sent: 01 February 2011 20:37
>> To: BCAB List
>> Subject: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Hi, A friend of mine, who is a timid user of technology, has asked me

>> how he can read Word docs which he has on his PC on his Braille Sense

>> plus in Braille.
>> 
>> I don't know anything about this device, and should welcome some info

>> to enable me to try to guide him.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> 
>> Telephone: 01738-445 880
>> 
>> Mobile: 07791 452 593
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:52:26 -0000
>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> Message-ID: <E8886D8749364F72929BA0DC0BBD7183 at HP>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>> 
>> Hi Ibrahim
>> 
>> We had the latest firmware installed, but it just mucked him about at

>> times, so we sorted it out by reducing the card size and letting me 
>> use the larger capacity on the BrailleSense.  Just as well given what
I have on it!
>> (smile).
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
>> Sent: 03 February 2011 08:40
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Hi Jackie.
>> 
>> How interesting. Perhaps there was some anomaly with the booksense 
>> firmware at the time.  I no longer own one so I cant test it out 
>> unfortunately, otherwise I would to see if I could replicate and 
>> indeed suggest a solution to the problems Martin is or was having.
>> 
>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 8:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Ibrahim
>> 
>> Yes, Martin formatted the card out of the packaging in his BookSense,

>> but it just did some rather odd things.  It wouldn't retain his 
>> settings like speed, and whenever he turned it on, it jumped back to 
>> Flash memory instead of where he left it on the SD card.  It never 
>> appeared happy, so we formatted it using the tool you recommended, 
>> and I now use it in my BrailleSense without a peep.  Martin has 
>> dropped down to a 16GB card, and this works perfectly for him on his
BookSense XT.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Gucukoglu
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 16:28
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Hi Jackie.
>> 
>> Sounds perhaps a silly question I know for one of your experience, 
>> but did you format the card in the Booksense?  I've always found that

>> formatting the card in the device you intend using it on is always a 
>> good idea, even if the card is brand new.  Also, you should avoid 
>> using the same card in multiple devices to avoid extraneous 
>> directories and files from being created or folders already on the
card from being corrupted.
>> 
>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 2:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Alan
>> 
>> Actually I bought this one for Martin for his BookSense from 
>> Play.com, but it seemed to bugger about in his unit a bit, and didn't
keep the settings.
>> So when I got my BrailleSense Plus recently, I borrowed his card and 
>> have never had a problem with it.  I think, at the time I bought it, 
>> the card cost about ?64, but they have come down in price
considerably now.
>> 
>> Go to
>> www.play.com
>> In the search box, type  32GB SD card or something, and you should 
>> find what you are looking for.  I've got all sorts on mine: 
>> documents, manuals, music ... It's great.
>> 
>> Not sure why the BookSense didn't like it though.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Alan Philpott
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 10:48
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Jackie,
>> I have never come across a 32 gb sd card; how useful that must be! 
>> Where can they be purchased? No luck here in Peterborough, you see.
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>> Alan
>> (Home Tel: 01733 551852;
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 09:43
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Richard
>> 
>> He can use a USB pen, or he can use an SD card which is my way of 
>> transferring.  I have a 32GB card in my unit on which I keep all 
>> sorts of documents and music.  Whenever I want to transfer anything, 
>> I put the card into my PC, copy the file over, then go through the 
>> normal procedure of safely removing it within the System Tray.  Then 
>> I replace the card in the BrailleSense.  He should leave the unit on 
>> to remove and reinsert his cards so that the device recognises any
new material that has been added.
>> 
>> I hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 09:26
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Thanks Jackie, that's helpful.  Now, going back a step, what's the 
>> easiest way to transfer a file on to this beast?  Are there USB slots

>> he can employ to use a memory stick or anything?  I'm looking for 
>> something simple, because he's in London, and I in Scotland!  Thanks,

>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> 
>> Telephone: 01738-445 880
>> 
>> Mobile: 07791 452 593
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 08:57
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Hi Richard
>> 
>> I have a BrailleSense Plus, and a DOC file should open if he has 
>> transferred it from his PC, all mine do.  If he has a BRF or BRL 
>> file, these also open, as do RTF and TXT.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> Sent: 01 February 2011 20:37
>> To: BCAB List
>> Subject: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Hi, A friend of mine, who is a timid user of technology, has asked me

>> how he can read Word docs which he has on his PC on his Braille Sense

>> plus in Braille.
>> 
>> I don't know anything about this device, and should welcome some info

>> to enable me to try to guide him.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> 
>> Telephone: 01738-445 880
>> 
>> Mobile: 07791 452 593
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> bring, please visit our website:
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>> our
>> website:
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>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>> 01/31/11 19:34:00
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>> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 08:53:56 +0000
>> From: "Pele West" <pele.west at west-home.co.uk>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> Message-ID: <0M6OWx-1Q4VZv04ux-00xwIr at mrelayeu.kundenserver.de>
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>> Hi Alan and Everyone
>> 
>> The 32Gb card should work in the Victor Reader Stream.  However, it 
>> takes sometime to find the place when you switch it on.  "Please
Wait" can get rather annoying.
>> 
>> Pele West
>> 
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 10:20:41 -0000
>> From: "Hussein Patwa" <bcab at patwanet.co.uk>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Program to split MP3 files
>> Message-ID:
>> <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAMmbAkUd8xRCophE3+GxafIigQAAEAAAAFRPO/bxpw1Hi
>> 21KyJajfCIBAAAAAA==@patwanet.co.uk>
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> A little late stepping on this one, but I second MP3 DirectCut.  I 
>> use it for editing files to use as ringtones and it's totally speech 
>> accessible for me using Supernova.
>> 
>> BTW, thanks to the other poster for the tips on Goldwave.  I haven't 
>> played with GW in a while, but it's always nice to learn new tips.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of David Reynolds
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 22:10
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Program to split MP3 files
>> 
>> Kevin,
>> 
>> I have found that mp3 direct cut works fairly well.
>> 
>> Go to:
>> 
>> http://mp3directcut.en.softonic.com/
>> 
>> David.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Russell" 
>> <kevin_russell at uk.ibm.com>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:58 PM
>> Subject: [BCAB] Program to split MP3 files
>> 
>> 
>>>       Hi
>>> 
>>> Can anybody recommend an accessible program that will split a large 
>>> MP3 file into multiple MP3 files.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> Kevin Russell
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>> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 10:23:58 -0000
>> From: "Hussein Patwa" <bcab at patwanet.co.uk>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] JAWS vs. Supernova
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> You're spot-on with the demo.  It's for one month with no time limits

>> per session, unlike Jaws which I believe might time out after 40
minutes.
>> 
>> Note that it may also be worth looking at the different SMA offered 
>> by access technology vendors.  For example, Supernova tends to have 
>> one major release every year, with one midpoint upgrade as well.  In 
>> this case, an SMA may well be cheaper for you.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Graham Page
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 17:14
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] JAWS vs. SuperNova
>> 
>> This is a really stupid argument that is not relevant to the 
>> situation. We are talking about which access technology provides best

>> access to the PC, presumably in an environment where most people are
using the PC.
>> 
>> If we were talking about an environment where most people use the mac

>> but Blind people are using the PC because in the past the Mac was not

>> accessible then this would be an argument worth having.
>> 
>> It would be helpful then for the purposes of this thread to keep the 
>> discussion confined to  PC access.
>> 
>> I would give supernova a serious look.  I suspect JAWS has better 
>> access to screenreader facilities but that Supernova has better 
>> screen enhancing functionality than Zoomtext.
>> 
>> Supernova is however one package with UK based support and all higher

>> education colleges are needing to save money.  As far as I understand

>> it, Supernova comes with a demo that runs for a month all the time
then stops.
>> I also understand that it comes with Eloquence speech which is the 
>> same as the speech that JAWS comes with.
>> 
>> I would download this demo and get some users to test things out.Of 
>> course people may not know the interface, but can a screenreader user

>> use all the programs that work with JAWS at the moment?
>> 
>> Zoomtext and JAWS are produced by different companies and there is no

>> absolute guarantee that they will work together in the future.  For 
>> this reason I would consider a serious user test of Supernova at this
stage.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Ankers, Dave (UK)
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 12:44
>> To: Kulvinder Bhogal; BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] JAWS vs. SuperNova
>> 
>> I wonder why....
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>> That seems to be the answer of every Mac user that I have spoken to.
>> 
>> Hmm.
>> 
>> Kulvinder Singh Bhogal
>> windows live: kulvinder at live.com
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>> Phone: +447792888797
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ankers, Dave (UK)" <Dave.Ankers at baesystems.com>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 9:40 AM
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] JAWS vs. SuperNova
>> 
>> 
>>> Shame you cannot afford to bin the lot, and replace with Macs, then
>> this
>>> problem would not occur.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> I work at Birkbeck College, which is the evening degree part of 
>>> London University. Most of our students are mature and are doing 
>>> degrees part time. We need to update our software. We currently have

>>> a site license of Supernova (but it is too old now to be effective 
>>> on the Internet)
>> and
>>> a site license for ZoomText. Both are installed on all of our 
>>> workstation room PCs. We have had technical problems with Supernova 
>>> on the network in the past (these were resolved) and I wasn't 
>>> impressed with its Internet access (it is old and the latest version

>>> seems
>> similar
>>> to JAWS).
>>> 
>>> We have a mixture of Supernova and JAWS users attending the college 
>>> at the moment. We will be retaining ZoomText which is up to date and

>>> popular. Should I go down the ZoomText and JAWS route, or renew 
>>> Supernova to keep our current configuration? We can't afford JAWS, 
>>> Supernova and ZoomText either financially or in terms of support.
>>> 
>>> Thanks very much for any advice you can offer.
>>> 
>>> Barbara Denton
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 10:36:25 +0000
>> From: Joe Paton <joe at vi-ability.demon.co.uk>
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Program to split MP3 files
>> Message-ID: <mailman.137.1296730754.2822.bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>> 
>> kevin,
>> 
>> mp3 direct cut by martin pech is your baby here.
>> here's a link for you.
>> http://tinyurl.com/4zkcq5j
>> any troubles drop me a note.
>> 
>> Joe Paton
>> At 21:58 02/02/2011, you wrote:
>>>        Hi
>>> 
>>> Can anybody recommend an accessible program that will split a large 
>>> MP3 file into multiple MP3 files.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks.
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
>>> Kevin Russell
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 10:59:02 -0000
>> From: "Alan Philpott" <alan at aphilpott.demon.co.uk>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> Message-ID: <LOENLPPOABKJELHDOHFKCEIBDJAA.alan at aphilpott.demon.co.uk>
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>> 
>> That's great then; thanks a lot for your help with this query.
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>> Alan
>> (Home Tel: 01733 551852;
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: 03 February 2011 08:38
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Alan
>> 
>> I don't see why not.  Play did have a sale on SD cards.  For example,

>> I bought a couple of good makes on there for ?14.99 each recently, 
>> and they were 16GB each.  They come with a good guarantee from Play
too.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Alan Philpott
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 16:40
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> hi Jackie,
>> Thanks for the info.  would that kind of card be suitable for my 
>> beloved victor stream? I usually use 8gb ones for my books on the
stream.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>> Alan
>> (Home Tel: 01733 551852;
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 14:19
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Alan
>> 
>> Actually I bought this one for Martin for his BookSense from 
>> Play.com, but it seemed to bugger about in his unit a bit, and didn't
keep the settings.
>> So when I got my BrailleSense Plus recently, I borrowed his card and 
>> have never had a problem with it.  I think, at the time I bought it, 
>> the card cost about ?64, but they have come down in price
considerably now.
>> 
>> Go to
>> www.play.com
>> In the search box, type  32GB SD card or something, and you should 
>> find what you are looking for.  I've got all sorts on mine: 
>> documents, manuals, music ... It's great.
>> 
>> Not sure why the BookSense didn't like it though.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Alan Philpott
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 10:48
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Jackie,
>> I have never come across a 32 gb sd card; how useful that must be! 
>> Where can they be purchased? No luck here in Peterborough, you see.
>> 
>> With kind regards,
>> Alan
>> (Home Tel: 01733 551852;
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 09:43
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Richard
>> 
>> He can use a USB pen, or he can use an SD card which is my way of 
>> transferring.  I have a 32GB card in my unit on which I keep all 
>> sorts of documents and music.  Whenever I want to transfer anything, 
>> I put the card into my PC, copy the file over, then go through the 
>> normal procedure of safely removing it within the System Tray.  Then 
>> I replace the card in the BrailleSense.  He should leave the unit on 
>> to remove and reinsert his cards so that the device recognises any
new material that has been added.
>> 
>> I hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 09:26
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Thanks Jackie, that's helpful.  Now, going back a step, what's the 
>> easiest way to transfer a file on to this beast?  Are there USB slots

>> he can employ to use a memory stick or anything?  I'm looking for 
>> something simple, because he's in London, and I in Scotland!  Thanks,

>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> 
>> Telephone: 01738-445 880
>> 
>> Mobile: 07791 452 593
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns
>> Sent: 02 February 2011 08:57
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Hi Richard
>> 
>> I have a BrailleSense Plus, and a DOC file should open if he has 
>> transferred it from his PC, all mine do.  If he has a BRF or BRL 
>> file, these also open, as do RTF and TXT.
>> 
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Cairns
>> J&M Work-Ability
>> 
>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk
>> www.work-ability.co.uk
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk 
>> [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk]
>> On Behalf Of Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> Sent: 01 February 2011 20:37
>> To: BCAB List
>> Subject: [BCAB] BRAILLE SENSE PLUS QUESTION
>> 
>> Hi, A friend of mine, who is a timid user of technology, has asked me

>> how he can read Word docs which he has on his PC on his Braille Sense

>> plus in Braille.
>> 
>> I don't know anything about this device, and should welcome some info

>> to enable me to try to guide him.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> 
>> Telephone: 01738-445 880
>> 
>> Mobile: 07791 452 593
>> 
>> 
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