[BCAB] signatures

Barry Hill barry.hill3 at sky.com
Tue Feb 26 06:57:43 GMT 2013


An authentication system for the blind that does not undermine the
authentication for all.  I really like that, Gerard, and it gave me a wake
up call.  Instead of binning a system that works, IE, the signature, we need
to investigate a system that works alongside should the signature not be
possible in a similar way to  Visual capture and audio capture.  

It needs to be a solution that is not just technology, though, as there are
many visually impaired people who do not access technology.  Perhaps two or
more solutions that include tech?

I recall a system of signature whereby a secretary could sign on behalf of a
director, for example, if they prefixed their signature with PP, meaning *on
behalf of*.  See this wiki page for details:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PP

So, could this be an option for visually impaired people, both with hard
copy and electronic?  In electronic forms, there could actually be a PP
field with the caveat of something like, *If you are unable to sign for
reasons of disability....* and have someone sign on behalf of when printing
off.

Yes, there is still a gaping hole for fraud, but it is a half way measure
perhaps.

Cheers

Barry



-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gerard
Sadlier
Sent: 26 February 2013 4:40 AM
To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
Subject: [BCAB] signatures

for what its worth richard, the revenue and similar public bodies do
allow electronic completion of forms etc. That of course is a
different issue altogether. As far as I know if one does print out a
tax return one has to sign the hard copy before return. For the
reasons given I think that's both necessary and desirable.
Take a couple of cases:
a director is charged with paying vat at the wrong rate. He says:
"wasn't me!" I  never submitted that form. Without a signature I think
he would have a better chance of an acquittal. Not a certainty.
questions might be raised about the form he should have submitted -
where did it go etc. But a chance. That chance would be better again
if the question at issue was who within an organization actually
submitted a particular document.
Re wills, I don't believe there is any provision equivalent to
scottish law. Witnesses are however required to sign the will in such
a way that the blind testator would have seen their signature had he
been able to see.
Barry, the solution would seem to me to lie in setting up a particular
authentication system for the blind. Not in undermining the
authentication for all.
Having said all this, if  the point has never come up for hmrc, the
system must be more secure than I realise, in some way. Explanations
of what I've missed welcome.

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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:42:23 -0000
> From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <lists.godfrey-mckay at virginmedia.com>
> To: <barry.hill3 at sky.com>,	"'BCAB Discussion List'"
> 	<bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
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> Hmmm, not sure that I agree totally with that solicitor's advice, although
> I
> suppose that in every contested case there's a winner and a loser!
>
> There's a funny provision in Scottish law requiring blind people making a
> will to have their signatures witnessed by a solicitor.  My will is made
> under English law - which doesn't have quite the same requirement.
>
> Anyway, electronic every time for me - and I'm sorry for blind people who
> live in Ireland if it's not so easy for them as it is in England and
Wales.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Richard Godfrey-McKay
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Barry Hill
> Sent: 25 February 2013 13:55
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>
> I was once told by a solicitor that unless my signature was witnessed by
> someone in authority or someone I trust, then it would not be legal and
> binding as I would not be able to verify what I was signing.  So, I'd much
> rather have an electronic version of something that I could read and risk
> that someone might, on the off chance, Do a bit of a con.
>
> Cheers
>
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Macrae
> Sent: 25 February 2013 11:22 AM
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>
> I have now got to the point where I refuse to sign anything.  My concerns
> about signing are that my signature is childishly simple to replicate.
And
> apart from that my grounds are that, as Richard says, there are perfectly
> acceptable alternatives now.
>
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> On 25 Feb 2013, at 11:17, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:
>
> G, Thank God that you don't advise HMRC  then!  Presumably you'd also do
> away with internet banking, shopping and lots of other stuff which has
made
> life so much easier than it would otherwise have been for blind people.
>
> As you no doubt know, as a lawyer, many contracts provide for servicing of
> notices electronically , so presumably the legal view is that that kind of
> thing is safe enough.
>
> Specifically, what risk do you fear when dealing with the Revenue?  Mostly
> it's about paying them etc rather than them paying you, and they do, of
> course, also have a secure messaging system.  Before you can log on, you
do
> have to create a secure username and password, and I suggest that if those
> are kept secure, the chance of someone using them is much less than
someone
> forging a signature undetected.
>
> PS, I promise this is from me - not an imposter - but I suppose you'll
have
> to use your judgment on that one, as it's not signed!
>
> Richard
>
> Richard Godfrey-McKay
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gerard
> Sadlier
> Sent: 25 February 2013 10:42
> To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>
> Hi all
>
> I have to say that I'm unconvinced that a procedure which does not involve
> a
> signature is as secure as one that does.
>
> If I were advising the HMRC, I would, with regret, insist on signatures.
>
> The reason is simply that a signature like this is indisputable - at least
> where sighted people are concerned, or nearly so - in a way that the fact
> that something was returned, even with an accompanying letter, simply is
> not.
>
> A signature can be verified by a hand-writing expert, with varying degrees
> of accuracy.
>
> For the blind, the issue is obviously different - and perhaps on
> registration some sort of voice system could be evolved.
>
> G
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:32:09 -0000
> From: "Barry Hill" <barry.hill3 at sky.com>
> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
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> I know three people who have been blind from birth and cannot write, let
> alone do a signature.  How would they sign a document?  I suppose they
> would
> have to have a person with power of attorney, I think that's the term, but
> if there was an alternative, it would give these three people that bit of
> equality and independence that we all crave.
>
> Cheers
>
> Barry
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gerard
> Sadlier
> Sent: 25 February 2013 10:42 AM
> To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
> Subject: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>
> Hi all
>
> I have to say that I'm unconvinced that a procedure which does not involve
> a
> signature is as secure as one that does.
>
> If I were advising the HMRC, I would, with regret, insist on signatures.
>
> The reason is simply that a signature like this is indisputable - at least
> where sighted people are concerned, or nearly so - in a way that the fact
> that something was returned, even with an accompanying letter, simply is
> not.
>
> A signature can be verified by a hand-writing expert, with varying degrees
> of accuracy.
>
> For the blind, the issue is obviously different - and perhaps on
> registration some sort of voice system could be evolved.
>
> G
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:35:45 +0000
> From: "S.Manning" <mist.airyman at gmail.com>
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Apple computer and iPads VAT exemption
> Message-ID: <512B84D1.1070904 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi there,
> How can we tell when we have got the correct information? From all the
> discussions I have had over items to help blind and visually impaired, I
> have gathered that where the item has a dual purpose it is only the
> assistive part that is VAT free.
> This seems to be born out by the following reply from Sight and Sound in
> reply to aprice request I made.
>
> Stuart.
>
> "...I'm not 100% sure as to what you are asking of us here, so I am
> going to list the breakdown of purchasing the Galaxy SIII with georgie:
>
> Samsung Galaxy SIII ?416.66 exc VAT
> Georgie base App @ ?149.00
> Travel Pack @ ?24.99...
> You will need to pay VAT on the phone purchase, but not on the Georgie
> software...."
> On 25/02/2013 14:26, Agent Orange wrote:
>>
>> Just forwarding on the below - I know nothing more than is contained in
>> the
>> email.
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jan Welsman
>> To: Jan Welsman
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:56 PM
>> Subject: [eSight] Apple computer and iPads VAT exemption.
>>
>> I have been asked about rumours and seen it mentioned as a rumour in
>> SAVI's
>> newsletter that it is possible to get VAT exemption for iPads phones and
>> Mac
>> computers that have voice over facilities.
>>
>> After much searching on line, with various views expressed on groups
>> about
>> whether it is or not, I have run the Apple Helpline at Covent Garden
>> today.
>> The lady went away and came back to say "Yes the exemption is only for
>> computers and iPad and phones and not accessories."
>>
>> This is great news, so as some chat groups have stated that Apple had
made
>> a
>> mistake last year and not doing it now. So let's hope the helpline were
>> correct and folks can rush out and get one!
>>
>> Best wishes Jan
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:46:40 +0000
> From: Chris Moore <moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: "access-uk at freelists.org" <access-uk at freelists.org>
> Cc: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: [BCAB] JAWS and Excel
> Message-ID: <C4DEFA00-CDE6-4B13-8BAF-E319C890821C at blueyonder.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi JAWS users,
>
> I am using a spreadsheet which contains lots of different coloured rows.
> The colours visually indicate the status of a web page being reviewed.
>
> One of the colours is rose, which indicates that the content is no longer
> live or has been deleted.  Another colour is yellow which indicates the
page
> should not be touched.
>
> The problem I am having is working my way through the spreadsheet.
> Currently I have to read the colour attributes of every row by pressing
> insert + 5, and this can be quite time consuming, especially when there
> could be blocks of yellow or rose (100s of rows of the same colour).
>
> I would like the ability to find the next colour change/skip past all the
> rose that have the same colour, until the colour changes to a different
> colour.  It would also be useful if JAWS would then read out the row
colour
> automatically when it jumps to a new colour/no colour.
>
> Is this possible in Excel? I am using JAWS 12 and Excel 2003.
>
> If anyone can come up with a solution, or know of a script that indeed
> performs this task, I would be very grateful.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:15:37 -0000
> From: "David Griffith" <d.griffith at btinternet.com>
> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] JAWS and Excel
> Message-ID: <7F16BF9218A943D5A5D0E46634798935 at DAVIDPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> I am not sure if this would work but you could try using the text Analyser
> Tool which is supposed to identify changes in formatting and alert you.
> This
> is in jaws 13 and a slightly better version in jaws 14. I cannot remember
> if
> it is in Jaws 12.
> Basically what it should do is work through a document and stop at format
> change or inconsistency.
> I just tried it in an Excel Spreadsheet and although it did not find
> anything it simply reported no inconsistencies in document so did appear
to
> check it.
> If it does not work properly in Excel it would definitely work in Word if
> you copied and pasted the spreadsheet as a table in Word.
> I was checking the formatting of spreadsheets  I had pasted into Word
using
> this method only yesterday.
> You may have to turn Text Analyser on but I normally just hit Windows alt
> and I to identify the next inconsistency.
>
> David Griffith
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Chris
Moore
> Sent: 25 February 2013 16:47
> To: access-uk at freelists.org
> Cc: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: [BCAB] JAWS and Excel
>
> Hi JAWS users,
>
> I am using a spreadsheet which contains lots of different coloured rows.
> The colours visually indicate the status of a web page being reviewed.
>
> One of the colours is rose, which indicates that the content is no longer
> live or has been deleted.  Another colour is yellow which indicates the
> page
> should not be touched.
>
> The problem I am having is working my way through the spreadsheet.
> Currently I have to read the colour attributes of every row by pressing
> insert + 5, and this can be quite time consuming, especially when there
> could be blocks of yellow or rose (100s of rows of the same colour).
>
> I would like the ability to find the next colour change/skip past all the
> rose that have the same colour, until the colour changes to a different
> colour.  It would also be useful if JAWS would then read out the row
colour
> automatically when it jumps to a new colour/no colour.
>
> Is this possible in Excel? I am using JAWS 12 and Excel 2003.
>
> If anyone can come up with a solution, or know of a script that indeed
> performs this task, I would be very grateful.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Chris
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:26:21 -0000
> From: "Roger Woolgrove" <rawoolgrove at gmail.com>
> To: "B C A B" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
> Message-ID: <CD4DB699A8BC43FB9EF451F4362A733C at roger>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am having issues using my right click.
>
> Bearing in mind that I have used Jaws for years, I do not know much about
> how to do things with it.
>
> I am using a macbook with Windows XP running and Jaws 13.  Therefore no
> applications key.
>
> If I try shift + F10 the audio is silenced rather than any menus becoming
> obvious.  The function I am trying to do is Drop Box related in that I
want
> to send a link to a file and am told to right click on the file.  Hence
the
> problem.  I have been unable to find  "Drop Box" in any of the menus to go
> about it that way either.
>
> So if you have a solution, please step-by-step.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Roger
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:32:06 -0000
> From: <roger.south at virgin.net>
> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: [BCAB] USB 3.0
> Message-ID: <0F9AA2CFA1F54F1AA7D1A513FDFE25D5 at RogerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
>
> I?m seriously thinking of getting a large external hard drive for backups
to
> my music and system. To speed up the work USB 3.0 would be preferable but
I
> would need card/controller installed on my motherboard. Before I can do
> anything I need to know if I have a spare slot available for this
> installation. I seem to remember that Belarc Advisor at one time told me
if
> there were any spare slots. I?ve looked and can?t find anything on there.
> Short of calling in an engineer is there any way I can find this
information
> out before buying the necessary equipment?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Roger
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:22:48 +0000
> From: Laurence Taylor <g7mzh at btopenworld.com>
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] thunderbird
> Message-ID: <512BABF8.1020704 at btopenworld.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
>
> Stuart was asking how to send an email to all his contacts at once with
> Thunderbird.
>
> Select "Address Book" (Ctrl-Shift-B)
> Hit Ctrl-A
> Select "Write" (or right-click and then W)
>
> This is with the latest update (17.0.3), I assume other versions will be
> the same.
>
> Note that this puts all the addresses in the "to" field, so everyone
> will see everyone else's address. You can change them all to BCC, but I
> can find no way of doing that automatically.
>
> --
> rgds
> LAurence
> <><
> ... I don't hate Windows - it runs great under OS/2!
> ~~~ Tagzilla (tagzilla.mozdev.org)
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:36:33 -0000
> From: "David Griffith" <d.griffith at btinternet.com>
> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
> Message-ID: <64C835571DDD40A599B4867E15C11F02 at DAVIDPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Personally in your situation I would use the free utility Sharp keys to
> remap  one of your existing keys to become the application key.
> This application is straightforward and fully accessible.
> Just nominate the key in the first combo box and then select the
> application
> key in the second combo box and let Sharp keys amend the registry.
> Quite which one you remap will depend on the keys available.
>
> I have used the alt graphic key on a netbook to make into a application
key
> and similarly a the right option on a Mac keyboard.
> Potentially though you could just remap one of the function keys to become
> the Application key.
>
> Hope that you find one that that works.
> Of course jaws number row 1 will turn keyboard help on to help you find a
> suitable key.
>
> David Griffith
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Roger
> Woolgrove
> Sent: 25 February 2013 17:26
> To: B C A B
> Subject: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am having issues using my right click.
>
> Bearing in mind that I have used Jaws for years, I do not know much about
> how to do things with it.
>
> I am using a macbook with Windows XP running and Jaws 13.  Therefore no
> applications key.
>
> If I try shift + F10 the audio is silenced rather than any menus becoming
> obvious.  The function I am trying to do is Drop Box related in that I
want
> to send a link to a file and am told to right click on the file.  Hence
the
> problem.  I have been unable to find  "Drop Box" in any of the menus to go
> about it that way either.
>
> So if you have a solution, please step-by-step.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Roger
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 19:36:55 +0000
> From: George Bell <George at techno-vision.co.uk>
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] USB 3.0
> Message-ID:
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> Hi Roger,
>
> You should be able to feel any existing expansion cards in your system,
and
> see if there are any blanks beside them.
>
> If there are, this won't necessarily identify the type, but as you'll
likely
> need to get someone to fit it, they'll soon identify it and fit the right
> one.
>
> BTW, Belarc should tell you the make and model of mother board, which in
> turn would at least let you see what slots it does have.
>
> George.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> roger.south at virgin.net
> Sent: 25 February 2013 17:32
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: [BCAB] USB 3.0
>
> I?m seriously thinking of getting a large external hard drive for backups
to
> my music and system. To speed up the work USB 3.0 would be preferable but
I
> would need card/controller installed on my motherboard. Before I can do
> anything I need to know if I have a spare slot available for this
> installation. I seem to remember that Belarc Advisor at one time told me
if
> there were any spare slots. I?ve looked and can?t find anything on there.
> Short of calling in an engineer is there any way I can find this
information
> out before buying the necessary equipment?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Roger
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:07:16 -0000
> From: "eric.t" <thomson-eric at sky.com>
> To: <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: [BCAB] o t g cable connectors
> Message-ID: <56E2CC4C1AB84805A674EEF5735D7395 at EricPC>
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>
> hi  where can i get o t g cable connectors for nexus7.
>
> other than amazon.
>
> thanks' in advance
>
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:32:44 -0000
> From: "Roger Woolgrove" <rawoolgrove at gmail.com>
> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
> Message-ID: <620CF991F5CA44E781F27231994178E0 at roger>
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>
> Hi David,
>
> Thanks for the tip but every site I tried to download Sharp Keys from was
> blocked by Eset or Eset popped up with an alert about safety.  As this has
> never happened with Eset before, I was too wary to continue because of
this
>
> downloader program they used.  Do you by chance have a link you can
certify
>
> as safe or a copy you could send directly?
>
> Many thanks
>
> Roger
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Griffith" <d.griffith at btinternet.com>
> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>
>
>> Personally in your situation I would use the free utility Sharp keys to
>> remap  one of your existing keys to become the application key.
>> This application is straightforward and fully accessible.
>> Just nominate the key in the first combo box and then select the
>> application
>> key in the second combo box and let Sharp keys amend the registry.
>> Quite which one you remap will depend on the keys available.
>>
>> I have used the alt graphic key on a netbook to make into a application
>> key
>> and similarly a the right option on a Mac keyboard.
>> Potentially though you could just remap one of the function keys to
>> become
>> the Application key.
>>
>> Hope that you find one that that works.
>> Of course jaws number row 1 will turn keyboard help on to help you find a
>> suitable key.
>>
>> David Griffith
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Roger
>> Woolgrove
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 17:26
>> To: B C A B
>> Subject: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am having issues using my right click.
>>
>> Bearing in mind that I have used Jaws for years, I do not know much about
>> how to do things with it.
>>
>> I am using a macbook with Windows XP running and Jaws 13.  Therefore no
>> applications key.
>>
>> If I try shift + F10 the audio is silenced rather than any menus becoming
>> obvious.  The function I am trying to do is Drop Box related in that I
>> want
>> to send a link to a file and am told to right click on the file.  Hence
>> the
>> problem.  I have been unable to find  "Drop Box" in any of the menus to
>> go
>> about it that way either.
>>
>> So if you have a solution, please step-by-step.
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Roger
>>
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