[BCAB] signatures

john bcab at developer.plus.com
Tue Feb 26 11:07:04 GMT 2013


Hi Richard,

I agree a secure login should suffice as authentication but in cases where 
no login is available, other authentication methods may include:

email verification: where the person is sent an email with a unique ID to 
verify the email is accessible by the person completing the online form.
Telephone call: where the person gets a telephone call to verify information 
either by another person or by automated process.
sms text message: where the person is sent a sms text message to verify the 
mobile is accessible by the person completing the online form.

other methods may include private pass codes only known by the person 
completing the online forms and the person recieving them. These pass codes 
may be requested in full or in part. Tracking the users sessions between 
different pages of a form, their network ip etc are some other things that 
can be used.

However, I would say if a digital signature is required, the most strate 
forward is probably secure login.

Best, John
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <lists.godfrey-mckay at virginmedia.com>
To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [BCAB] signatures


> HI G,  I think there has been some confusion here, as my original question
> was intended to relate to how one could dispense with the need to "sign"
> forms created and to be submitted electronically.
>
> That's why I mentioned that "I know that HMRC don't require tax returns to
> be signed, presumably because they know who you are from your having had 
> to
> complete a log-in process."
>
> If one needs to log in, I presume that the process can be secure, so 
> signing
> needn't be an issue, and I haven't really made any progress in finding a
> solution where a log-in stage isn't in place.  Having that step would 
> really
> solve the problem - so far as I can see.
>
> Richard
>
> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gerard
> Sadlier
> Sent: 26 February 2013 04:40
> To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
> Subject: [BCAB] signatures
>
> for what its worth Richard, the revenue and similar public bodies do allow
> electronic completion of forms etc. That of course is a different issue
> altogether. As far as I know if one does print out a tax return one has to
> sign the hard copy before return. For the reasons given I think that's 
> both
> necessary and desirable.
> Take a couple of cases:
> a director is charged with paying vat at the wrong rate. He says:
> "wasn't me!" I  never submitted that form. Without a signature I think he
> would have a better chance of an acquittal. Not a certainty.
> questions might be raised about the form he should have submitted - where
> did it go etc. But a chance. That chance would be better again if the
> question at issue was who within an organization actually submitted a
> particular document.
> Re wills, I don't believe there is any provision equivalent to Scottish 
> law.
> Witnesses are however required to sign the will in such a way that the 
> blind
> testator would have seen their signature had he been able to see.
> Barry, the solution would seem to me to lie in setting up a particular
> authentication system for the blind. Not in undermining the authentication
> for all.
> Having said all this, if  the point has never come up for HMRC, the system
> must be more secure than I realise, in some way. Explanations of what I've
> missed welcome.
>
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>>    1. Re: Signing Forms, A Different View (Richard Godfrey-McKay)
>>    2. Re: Signing Forms, A Different View (Barry Hill)
>>    3. Re: Apple computer and iPads VAT exemption (S.Manning)
>>    4. JAWS and Excel (Chris Moore)
>>    5. Re: JAWS and Excel (David Griffith)
>>    6. Right click for jaws (Roger Woolgrove)
>>    7. USB 3.0 (roger.south at virgin.net)
>>    8. Re: thunderbird (Laurence Taylor)
>>    9. Re: Right click for jaws (David Griffith)
>>   10. Re: USB 3.0 (George Bell)
>>   11. o t g cable connectors (eric.t)
>>   12. Re: Right click for jaws (Roger Woolgrove)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:42:23 -0000
>> From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <lists.godfrey-mckay at virginmedia.com>
>> To: <barry.hill3 at sky.com>, "'BCAB Discussion List'"
>> <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>> Message-ID: <CA7198FD3A524BCBBA0C296CACC2BD4C at RichardPC>
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>>
>> Hmmm, not sure that I agree totally with that solicitor's advice,
>> although I suppose that in every contested case there's a winner and a
>> loser!
>>
>> There's a funny provision in Scottish law requiring blind people
>> making a will to have their signatures witnessed by a solicitor.  My
>> will is made under English law - which doesn't have quite the same
> requirement.
>>
>> Anyway, electronic every time for me - and I'm sorry for blind people
>> who live in Ireland if it's not so easy for them as it is in England and
> Wales.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Barry
>> Hill
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 13:55
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>>
>> I was once told by a solicitor that unless my signature was witnessed
>> by someone in authority or someone I trust, then it would not be legal
>> and binding as I would not be able to verify what I was signing.  So,
>> I'd much rather have an electronic version of something that I could
>> read and risk that someone might, on the off chance, Do a bit of a con.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Barry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian
>> Macrae
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 11:22 AM
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>>
>> I have now got to the point where I refuse to sign anything.  My
>> concerns about signing are that my signature is childishly simple to
>> replicate.  And apart from that my grounds are that, as Richard says,
>> there are perfectly acceptable alternatives now.
>>
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>> On 25 Feb 2013, at 11:17, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:
>>
>> G, Thank God that you don't advise HMRC  then!  Presumably you'd also
>> do away with internet banking, shopping and lots of other stuff which
>> has made life so much easier than it would otherwise have been for blind
> people.
>>
>> As you no doubt know, as a lawyer, many contracts provide for
>> servicing of notices electronically , so presumably the legal view is
>> that that kind of thing is safe enough.
>>
>> Specifically, what risk do you fear when dealing with the Revenue?
>> Mostly it's about paying them etc rather than them paying you, and
>> they do, of course, also have a secure messaging system.  Before you
>> can log on, you do have to create a secure username and password, and
>> I suggest that if those are kept secure, the chance of someone using
>> them is much less than someone forging a signature undetected.
>>
>> PS, I promise this is from me - not an imposter - but I suppose you'll
>> have to use your judgment on that one, as it's not signed!
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gerard
>> Sadlier
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 10:42
>> To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I have to say that I'm unconvinced that a procedure which does not
>> involve a signature is as secure as one that does.
>>
>> If I were advising the HMRC, I would, with regret, insist on signatures.
>>
>> The reason is simply that a signature like this is indisputable - at
>> least where sighted people are concerned, or nearly so - in a way that
>> the fact that something was returned, even with an accompanying
>> letter, simply is not.
>>
>> A signature can be verified by a hand-writing expert, with varying
>> degrees of accuracy.
>>
>> For the blind, the issue is obviously different - and perhaps on
>> registration some sort of voice system could be evolved.
>>
>> G
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:32:09 -0000
>> From: "Barry Hill" <barry.hill3 at sky.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>> Message-ID: <030a01ce136d$471d2b20$d5578160$@sky.com>
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>> I know three people who have been blind from birth and cannot write,
>> let alone do a signature.  How would they sign a document?  I suppose
>> they would have to have a person with power of attorney, I think
>> that's the term, but if there was an alternative, it would give these
>> three people that bit of equality and independence that we all crave.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gerard
>> Sadlier
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 10:42 AM
>> To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
>> Subject: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I have to say that I'm unconvinced that a procedure which does not
>> involve a signature is as secure as one that does.
>>
>> If I were advising the HMRC, I would, with regret, insist on signatures.
>>
>> The reason is simply that a signature like this is indisputable - at
>> least where sighted people are concerned, or nearly so - in a way that
>> the fact that something was returned, even with an accompanying
>> letter, simply is not.
>>
>> A signature can be verified by a hand-writing expert, with varying
>> degrees of accuracy.
>>
>> For the blind, the issue is obviously different - and perhaps on
>> registration some sort of voice system could be evolved.
>>
>> G
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:35:45 +0000
>> From: "S.Manning" <mist.airyman at gmail.com>
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Apple computer and iPads VAT exemption
>> Message-ID: <512B84D1.1070904 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi there,
>> How can we tell when we have got the correct information? From all the
>> discussions I have had over items to help blind and visually impaired,
>> I have gathered that where the item has a dual purpose it is only the
>> assistive part that is VAT free.
>> This seems to be born out by the following reply from Sight and Sound
>> in reply to aprice request I made.
>>
>> Stuart.
>>
>> "...I'm not 100% sure as to what you are asking of us here, so I am
>> going to list the breakdown of purchasing the Galaxy SIII with georgie:
>>
>> Samsung Galaxy SIII ?416.66 exc VAT
>> Georgie base App @ ?149.00
>> Travel Pack @ ?24.99...
>> You will need to pay VAT on the phone purchase, but not on the Georgie
>> software...."
>> On 25/02/2013 14:26, Agent Orange wrote:
>>>
>>> Just forwarding on the below - I know nothing more than is contained
>>> in the email.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jan Welsman
>>> To: Jan Welsman
>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:56 PM
>>> Subject: [eSight] Apple computer and iPads VAT exemption.
>>>
>>> I have been asked about rumours and seen it mentioned as a rumour in
>>> SAVI's newsletter that it is possible to get VAT exemption for iPads
>>> phones and Mac computers that have voice over facilities.
>>>
>>> After much searching on line, with various views expressed on groups
>>> about whether it is or not, I have run the Apple Helpline at Covent
>>> Garden today.
>>> The lady went away and came back to say "Yes the exemption is only
>>> for computers and iPad and phones and not accessories."
>>>
>>> This is great news, so as some chat groups have stated that Apple had
>>> made a mistake last year and not doing it now. So let's hope the
>>> helpline were correct and folks can rush out and get one!
>>>
>>> Best wishes Jan
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:46:40 +0000
>> From: Chris Moore <moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: "access-uk at freelists.org" <access-uk at freelists.org>
>> Cc: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] JAWS and Excel
>> Message-ID: <C4DEFA00-CDE6-4B13-8BAF-E319C890821C at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> Hi JAWS users,
>>
>> I am using a spreadsheet which contains lots of different coloured rows.
>> The colours visually indicate the status of a web page being reviewed.
>>
>> One of the colours is rose, which indicates that the content is no
>> longer live or has been deleted.  Another colour is yellow which
>> indicates the page should not be touched.
>>
>> The problem I am having is working my way through the spreadsheet.
>> Currently I have to read the colour attributes of every row by
>> pressing insert + 5, and this can be quite time consuming, especially
>> when there could be blocks of yellow or rose (100s of rows of the same
> colour).
>>
>> I would like the ability to find the next colour change/skip past all
>> the rose that have the same colour, until the colour changes to a
>> different colour.  It would also be useful if JAWS would then read out
>> the row colour automatically when it jumps to a new colour/no colour.
>>
>> Is this possible in Excel? I am using JAWS 12 and Excel 2003.
>>
>> If anyone can come up with a solution, or know of a script that indeed
>> performs this task, I would be very grateful.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:15:37 -0000
>> From: "David Griffith" <d.griffith at btinternet.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] JAWS and Excel
>> Message-ID: <7F16BF9218A943D5A5D0E46634798935 at DAVIDPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> I am not sure if this would work but you could try using the text
>> Analyser Tool which is supposed to identify changes in formatting and
> alert you.
>> This
>> is in jaws 13 and a slightly better version in jaws 14. I cannot
>> remember if it is in Jaws 12.
>> Basically what it should do is work through a document and stop at
>> format change or inconsistency.
>> I just tried it in an Excel Spreadsheet and although it did not find
>> anything it simply reported no inconsistencies in document so did
>> appear to check it.
>> If it does not work properly in Excel it would definitely work in Word
>> if you copied and pasted the spreadsheet as a table in Word.
>> I was checking the formatting of spreadsheets  I had pasted into Word
>> using this method only yesterday.
>> You may have to turn Text Analyser on but I normally just hit Windows
>> alt and I to identify the next inconsistency.
>>
>> David Griffith
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Chris
>> Moore
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 16:47
>> To: access-uk at freelists.org
>> Cc: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: [BCAB] JAWS and Excel
>>
>> Hi JAWS users,
>>
>> I am using a spreadsheet which contains lots of different coloured rows.
>> The colours visually indicate the status of a web page being reviewed.
>>
>> One of the colours is rose, which indicates that the content is no
>> longer live or has been deleted.  Another colour is yellow which
>> indicates the page should not be touched.
>>
>> The problem I am having is working my way through the spreadsheet.
>> Currently I have to read the colour attributes of every row by
>> pressing insert + 5, and this can be quite time consuming, especially
>> when there could be blocks of yellow or rose (100s of rows of the same
> colour).
>>
>> I would like the ability to find the next colour change/skip past all
>> the rose that have the same colour, until the colour changes to a
>> different colour.  It would also be useful if JAWS would then read out
>> the row colour automatically when it jumps to a new colour/no colour.
>>
>> Is this possible in Excel? I am using JAWS 12 and Excel 2003.
>>
>> If anyone can come up with a solution, or know of a script that indeed
>> performs this task, I would be very grateful.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:26:21 -0000
>> From: "Roger Woolgrove" <rawoolgrove at gmail.com>
>> To: "B C A B" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>> Message-ID: <CD4DB699A8BC43FB9EF451F4362A733C at roger>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am having issues using my right click.
>>
>> Bearing in mind that I have used Jaws for years, I do not know much
>> about how to do things with it.
>>
>> I am using a macbook with Windows XP running and Jaws 13.  Therefore
>> no applications key.
>>
>> If I try shift + F10 the audio is silenced rather than any menus
>> becoming obvious.  The function I am trying to do is Drop Box related
>> in that I want to send a link to a file and am told to right click on
>> the file.  Hence the problem.  I have been unable to find  "Drop Box"
>> in any of the menus to go about it that way either.
>>
>> So if you have a solution, please step-by-step.
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:32:06 -0000
>> From: <roger.south at virgin.net>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] USB 3.0
>> Message-ID: <0F9AA2CFA1F54F1AA7D1A513FDFE25D5 at RogerPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> I?m seriously thinking of getting a large external hard drive for
>> backups to my music and system. To speed up the work USB 3.0 would be
>> preferable but I would need card/controller installed on my
>> motherboard. Before I can do anything I need to know if I have a spare
>> slot available for this installation. I seem to remember that Belarc
>> Advisor at one time told me if there were any spare slots. I?ve looked 
>> and
> can?t find anything on there.
>> Short of calling in an engineer is there any way I can find this
>> information out before buying the necessary equipment?
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Roger
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:22:48 +0000
>> From: Laurence Taylor <g7mzh at btopenworld.com>
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] thunderbird
>> Message-ID: <512BABF8.1020704 at btopenworld.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
>>
>> Stuart was asking how to send an email to all his contacts at once
>> with Thunderbird.
>>
>> Select "Address Book" (Ctrl-Shift-B)
>> Hit Ctrl-A
>> Select "Write" (or right-click and then W)
>>
>> This is with the latest update (17.0.3), I assume other versions will
>> be the same.
>>
>> Note that this puts all the addresses in the "to" field, so everyone
>> will see everyone else's address. You can change them all to BCC, but
>> I can find no way of doing that automatically.
>>
>> --
>> rgds
>> LAurence
>> <><
>> ... I don't hate Windows - it runs great under OS/2!
>> ~~~ Tagzilla (tagzilla.mozdev.org)
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:36:33 -0000
>> From: "David Griffith" <d.griffith at btinternet.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>> Message-ID: <64C835571DDD40A599B4867E15C11F02 at DAVIDPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Personally in your situation I would use the free utility Sharp keys
>> to remap  one of your existing keys to become the application key.
>> This application is straightforward and fully accessible.
>> Just nominate the key in the first combo box and then select the
>> application key in the second combo box and let Sharp keys amend the
>> registry.
>> Quite which one you remap will depend on the keys available.
>>
>> I have used the alt graphic key on a netbook to make into a
>> application key and similarly a the right option on a Mac keyboard.
>> Potentially though you could just remap one of the function keys to
>> become the Application key.
>>
>> Hope that you find one that that works.
>> Of course jaws number row 1 will turn keyboard help on to help you
>> find a suitable key.
>>
>> David Griffith
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Roger
>> Woolgrove
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 17:26
>> To: B C A B
>> Subject: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am having issues using my right click.
>>
>> Bearing in mind that I have used Jaws for years, I do not know much
>> about how to do things with it.
>>
>> I am using a macbook with Windows XP running and Jaws 13.  Therefore
>> no applications key.
>>
>> If I try shift + F10 the audio is silenced rather than any menus
>> becoming obvious.  The function I am trying to do is Drop Box related
>> in that I want to send a link to a file and am told to right click on
>> the file.  Hence the problem.  I have been unable to find  "Drop Box"
>> in any of the menus to go about it that way either.
>>
>> So if you have a solution, please step-by-step.
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Roger
>>
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 19:36:55 +0000
>> From: George Bell <George at techno-vision.co.uk>
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] USB 3.0
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hi Roger,
>>
>> You should be able to feel any existing expansion cards in your
>> system, and see if there are any blanks beside them.
>>
>> If there are, this won't necessarily identify the type, but as you'll
>> likely need to get someone to fit it, they'll soon identify it and fit
>> the right one.
>>
>> BTW, Belarc should tell you the make and model of mother board, which
>> in turn would at least let you see what slots it does have.
>>
>> George.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>> roger.south at virgin.net
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 17:32
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: [BCAB] USB 3.0
>>
>> I?m seriously thinking of getting a large external hard drive for
>> backups to my music and system. To speed up the work USB 3.0 would be
>> preferable but I would need card/controller installed on my
>> motherboard. Before I can do anything I need to know if I have a spare
>> slot available for this installation. I seem to remember that Belarc
>> Advisor at one time told me if there were any spare slots. I?ve looked 
>> and
> can?t find anything on there.
>> Short of calling in an engineer is there any way I can find this
>> information out before buying the necessary equipment?
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Roger
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:07:16 -0000
>> From: "eric.t" <thomson-eric at sky.com>
>> To: <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] o t g cable connectors
>> Message-ID: <56E2CC4C1AB84805A674EEF5735D7395 at EricPC>
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>>
>> hi  where can i get o t g cable connectors for nexus7.
>>
>> other than amazon.
>>
>> thanks' in advance
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:32:44 -0000
>> From: "Roger Woolgrove" <rawoolgrove at gmail.com>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>> Message-ID: <620CF991F5CA44E781F27231994178E0 at roger>
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>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Thanks for the tip but every site I tried to download Sharp Keys from
>> was blocked by Eset or Eset popped up with an alert about safety.  As
>> this has never happened with Eset before, I was too wary to continue
>> because of this
>>
>> downloader program they used.  Do you by chance have a link you can
>> certify
>>
>> as safe or a copy you could send directly?
>>
>> Many thanks
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Griffith" <d.griffith at btinternet.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>>
>>
>>> Personally in your situation I would use the free utility Sharp keys
>>> to remap  one of your existing keys to become the application key.
>>> This application is straightforward and fully accessible.
>>> Just nominate the key in the first combo box and then select the
>>> application key in the second combo box and let Sharp keys amend the
>>> registry.
>>> Quite which one you remap will depend on the keys available.
>>>
>>> I have used the alt graphic key on a netbook to make into a
>>> application key and similarly a the right option on a Mac keyboard.
>>> Potentially though you could just remap one of the function keys to
>>> become the Application key.
>>>
>>> Hope that you find one that that works.
>>> Of course jaws number row 1 will turn keyboard help on to help you
>>> find a suitable key.
>>>
>>> David Griffith
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Roger
>>> Woolgrove
>>> Sent: 25 February 2013 17:26
>>> To: B C A B
>>> Subject: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am having issues using my right click.
>>>
>>> Bearing in mind that I have used Jaws for years, I do not know much
>>> about how to do things with it.
>>>
>>> I am using a macbook with Windows XP running and Jaws 13.  Therefore
>>> no applications key.
>>>
>>> If I try shift + F10 the audio is silenced rather than any menus
>>> becoming obvious.  The function I am trying to do is Drop Box related
>>> in that I want to send a link to a file and am told to right click on
>>> the file.  Hence the problem.  I have been unable to find  "Drop Box"
>>> in any of the menus to go about it that way either.
>>>
>>> So if you have a solution, please step-by-step.
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
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