[BCAB] signatures

Graham Page gpage at useit.plus.com
Wed Feb 27 16:40:02 GMT 2013


Yes I think all of us are probably capable of signing a signature unless of
course there's a disability that makes the movement necessary to use a pen
difficult.  The problem for many (including me) is that our signatures tend
to differ if we are not used to handwriting.  Still, I have found that in
places where it is needed, my dodgy signature such as it is seems to satisfy
people.

Regards

Graham 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Chris Friend
Sent: 26 February 2013 11:03
To: gladyth.gupta at gmail.com; BCAB Discussion List
Cc: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] signatures

When I first made my will, and when I revised it, the law firm had a legal
assistant, different from my solicitor,  read it to me and she
counter-signed and dated  the will stating that I am blind and  that she
had done so and that I had fully understood the contents. Chris

Sent from my iPhone

On 26 Feb 2013, at 10:25, Gladyth Gupta <gladyth.gupta at googlemail.com>
wrote:

> Fair point. I agree with the Council.
> -----Original message-----
> From: Derek Hornby
> Sent:  26/02/2013, 9:46  am
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] signatures
> 
> 
> Hi  Steve
> This I feel is the problem. Not signing can cause problems.
> 
> When I  was at a meeting with the council few weeks ago,
> They asked me to sign a funding agreement.
> I said I rather my  sister  signs on my behalf.
> Council said that's not allowed.
> They gave the reason that because I have the ability to make
> Decisions,  I must then sign for myself.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steven
> Bingham
> Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:59 AM
> To: barry.hill3 at sky.com; 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] signatures
> 
> One reason that HMRC were able to drop the need for signatures on a lot of
> forms is that the documents are usually not kept. Most material is
submitted
> to processing centres where it is input to computer systems and the
original
> documents destroyed. Even if documents are kept they tend to be scanned
and
> then only exist as electronic documents. In these circumstances it would
be
> nearly impossible to verify a signature - it would be too easy for it to
> have been forged and you could not tell whether the scanned document was
an
> original or a photocopy that had been tampered with. 
> 
> Personally I prefer not to sign documents as it is meaningless to me but I
> must admit that I do sign if not signing is going to cause problems.
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Barry Hill
> Sent: 26 February 2013 06:58
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] signatures
> 
> An authentication system for the blind that does not undermine the
> authentication for all.  I really like that, Gerard, and it gave me a wake
> up call.  Instead of binning a system that works, IE, the signature, we
need
> to investigate a system that works alongside should the signature not be
> possible in a similar way to  Visual capture and audio capture.  
> 
> It needs to be a solution that is not just technology, though, as there
are
> many visually impaired people who do not access technology.  Perhaps two
or
> more solutions that include tech?
> 
> I recall a system of signature whereby a secretary could sign on behalf of
a
> director, for example, if they prefixed their signature with PP, meaning
*on
> behalf of*.  See this wiki page for details:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PP
> 
> So, could this be an option for visually impaired people, both with hard
> copy and electronic?  In electronic forms, there could actually be a PP
> field with the caveat of something like, *If you are unable to sign for
> reasons of disability....* and have someone sign on behalf of when
printing
> off.
> 
> Yes, there is still a gaping hole for fraud, but it is a half way measure
> perhaps.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Barry
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gerard
> Sadlier
> Sent: 26 February 2013 4:40 AM
> To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
> Subject: [BCAB] signatures
> 
> for what its worth richard, the revenue and similar public bodies do allow
> electronic completion of forms etc. That of course is a different issue
> altogether. As far as I know if one does print out a tax return one has to
> sign the hard copy before return. For the reasons given I think that's
both
> necessary and desirable.
> Take a couple of cases:
> a director is charged with paying vat at the wrong rate. He says:
> "wasn't me!" I  never submitted that form. Without a signature I think he
> would have a better chance of an acquittal. Not a certainty.
> questions might be raised about the form he should have submitted - where
> did it go etc. But a chance. That chance would be better again if the
> question at issue was who within an organization actually submitted a
> particular document.
> Re wills, I don't believe there is any provision equivalent to scottish
law.
> Witnesses are however required to sign the will in such a way that the
blind
> testator would have seen their signature had he been able to see.
> Barry, the solution would seem to me to lie in setting up a particular
> authentication system for the blind. Not in undermining the authentication
> for all.
> Having said all this, if  the point has never come up for hmrc, the system
> must be more secure than I realise, in some way. Explanations of what I've
> missed welcome.
> 
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>>   2. Re: Signing Forms, A Different View (Barry Hill)
>>   3. Re: Apple computer and iPads VAT exemption (S.Manning)
>>   4. JAWS and Excel (Chris Moore)
>>   5. Re: JAWS and Excel (David Griffith)
>>   6. Right click for jaws (Roger Woolgrove)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 14:42:23 -0000
>> From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <lists.godfrey-mckay at virginmedia.com>
>> To: <barry.hill3 at sky.com>,    "'BCAB Discussion List'"
>>    <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>> Message-ID: <CA7198FD3A524BCBBA0C296CACC2BD4C at RichardPC>
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>> 
>> Hmmm, not sure that I agree totally with that solicitor's advice, 
>> although I suppose that in every contested case there's a winner and a 
>> loser!
>> 
>> There's a funny provision in Scottish law requiring blind people 
>> making a will to have their signatures witnessed by a solicitor.  My 
>> will is made under English law - which doesn't have quite the same
> requirement.
>> 
>> Anyway, electronic every time for me - and I'm sorry for blind people 
>> who live in Ireland if it's not so easy for them as it is in England 
>> and
> Wales.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> 
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>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Barry 
>> Hill
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 13:55
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>> 
>> I was once told by a solicitor that unless my signature was witnessed 
>> by someone in authority or someone I trust, then it would not be legal 
>> and binding as I would not be able to verify what I was signing.  So, 
>> I'd much rather have an electronic version of something that I could 
>> read and risk that someone might, on the off chance, Do a bit of a con.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Barry
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian 
>> Macrae
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 11:22 AM
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>> 
>> I have now got to the point where I refuse to sign anything.  My 
>> concerns about signing are that my signature is childishly simple to
> replicate.
> And
>> apart from that my grounds are that, as Richard says, there are 
>> perfectly acceptable alternatives now.
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On 25 Feb 2013, at 11:17, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:
>> 
>> G, Thank God that you don't advise HMRC  then!  Presumably you'd also 
>> do away with internet banking, shopping and lots of other stuff which 
>> has
> made
>> life so much easier than it would otherwise have been for blind people.
>> 
>> As you no doubt know, as a lawyer, many contracts provide for 
>> servicing of notices electronically , so presumably the legal view is 
>> that that kind of thing is safe enough.
>> 
>> Specifically, what risk do you fear when dealing with the Revenue?  
>> Mostly it's about paying them etc rather than them paying you, and 
>> they do, of course, also have a secure messaging system.  Before you 
>> can log on, you
> do
>> have to create a secure username and password, and I suggest that if 
>> those are kept secure, the chance of someone using them is much less 
>> than
> someone
>> forging a signature undetected.
>> 
>> PS, I promise this is from me - not an imposter - but I suppose you'll
> have
>> to use your judgment on that one, as it's not signed!
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Richard Godfrey-McKay
>> 
>> Telephone: 01738-445 880
>> 
>> Mobile: 07791 452 593
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gerard 
>> Sadlier
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 10:42
>> To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk<mailto:bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I have to say that I'm unconvinced that a procedure which does not 
>> involve a signature is as secure as one that does.
>> 
>> If I were advising the HMRC, I would, with regret, insist on signatures.
>> 
>> The reason is simply that a signature like this is indisputable - at 
>> least where sighted people are concerned, or nearly so - in a way that 
>> the fact that something was returned, even with an accompanying 
>> letter, simply is not.
>> 
>> A signature can be verified by a hand-writing expert, with varying 
>> degrees of accuracy.
>> 
>> For the blind, the issue is obviously different - and perhaps on 
>> registration some sort of voice system could be evolved.
>> 
>> G
>> 
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:32:09 -0000
>> From: "Barry Hill" <barry.hill3 at sky.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>> Message-ID: <030a01ce136d$471d2b20$d5578160$@sky.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> I know three people who have been blind from birth and cannot write, 
>> let alone do a signature.  How would they sign a document?  I suppose 
>> they would have to have a person with power of attorney, I think 
>> that's the term, but if there was an alternative, it would give these 
>> three people that bit of equality and independence that we all crave.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Barry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Gerard 
>> Sadlier
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 10:42 AM
>> To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
>> Subject: [BCAB] Signing Forms, A Different View
>> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I have to say that I'm unconvinced that a procedure which does not 
>> involve a signature is as secure as one that does.
>> 
>> If I were advising the HMRC, I would, with regret, insist on signatures.
>> 
>> The reason is simply that a signature like this is indisputable - at 
>> least where sighted people are concerned, or nearly so - in a way that 
>> the fact that something was returned, even with an accompanying 
>> letter, simply is not.
>> 
>> A signature can be verified by a hand-writing expert, with varying 
>> degrees of accuracy.
>> 
>> For the blind, the issue is obviously different - and perhaps on 
>> registration some sort of voice system could be evolved.
>> 
>> G
>> 
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 15:35:45 +0000
>> From: "S.Manning" <mist.airyman at gmail.com>
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Apple computer and iPads VAT exemption
>> Message-ID: <512B84D1.1070904 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>> 
>> Hi there,
>> How can we tell when we have got the correct information? From all the 
>> discussions I have had over items to help blind and visually impaired, 
>> I have gathered that where the item has a dual purpose it is only the 
>> assistive part that is VAT free.
>> This seems to be born out by the following reply from Sight and Sound 
>> in reply to aprice request I made.
>> 
>> Stuart.
>> 
>> "...I'm not 100% sure as to what you are asking of us here, so I am 
>> going to list the breakdown of purchasing the Galaxy SIII with georgie:
>> 
>> Samsung Galaxy SIII ?416.66 exc VAT
>> Georgie base App @ ?149.00
>> Travel Pack @ ?24.99...
>> You will need to pay VAT on the phone purchase, but not on the Georgie 
>> software...."
>> On 25/02/2013 14:26, Agent Orange wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just forwarding on the below - I know nothing more than is contained 
>>> in the email.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jan Welsman
>>> To: Jan Welsman
>>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 1:56 PM
>>> Subject: [eSight] Apple computer and iPads VAT exemption.
>>> 
>>> I have been asked about rumours and seen it mentioned as a rumour in 
>>> SAVI's newsletter that it is possible to get VAT exemption for iPads 
>>> phones and Mac computers that have voice over facilities.
>>> 
>>> After much searching on line, with various views expressed on groups 
>>> about whether it is or not, I have run the Apple Helpline at Covent 
>>> Garden today.
>>> The lady went away and came back to say "Yes the exemption is only 
>>> for computers and iPad and phones and not accessories."
>>> 
>>> This is great news, so as some chat groups have stated that Apple had
> made
>>> a
>>> mistake last year and not doing it now. So let's hope the helpline 
>>> were correct and folks can rush out and get one!
>>> 
>>> Best wishes Jan
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:46:40 +0000
>> From: Chris Moore <moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: "access-uk at freelists.org" <access-uk at freelists.org>
>> Cc: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] JAWS and Excel
>> Message-ID: <C4DEFA00-CDE6-4B13-8BAF-E319C890821C at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> 
>> Hi JAWS users,
>> 
>> I am using a spreadsheet which contains lots of different coloured rows.
>> The colours visually indicate the status of a web page being reviewed.
>> 
>> One of the colours is rose, which indicates that the content is no 
>> longer live or has been deleted.  Another colour is yellow which 
>> indicates the
> page
>> should not be touched.
>> 
>> The problem I am having is working my way through the spreadsheet.
>> Currently I have to read the colour attributes of every row by 
>> pressing insert + 5, and this can be quite time consuming, especially 
>> when there could be blocks of yellow or rose (100s of rows of the same
> colour).
>> 
>> I would like the ability to find the next colour change/skip past all 
>> the rose that have the same colour, until the colour changes to a 
>> different colour.  It would also be useful if JAWS would then read out 
>> the row
> colour
>> automatically when it jumps to a new colour/no colour.
>> 
>> Is this possible in Excel? I am using JAWS 12 and Excel 2003.
>> 
>> If anyone can come up with a solution, or know of a script that indeed 
>> performs this task, I would be very grateful.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:15:37 -0000
>> From: "David Griffith" <d.griffith at btinternet.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] JAWS and Excel
>> Message-ID: <7F16BF9218A943D5A5D0E46634798935 at DAVIDPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> I am not sure if this would work but you could try using the text 
>> Analyser Tool which is supposed to identify changes in formatting and
> alert you.
>> This
>> is in jaws 13 and a slightly better version in jaws 14. I cannot 
>> remember if it is in Jaws 12.
>> Basically what it should do is work through a document and stop at 
>> format change or inconsistency.
>> I just tried it in an Excel Spreadsheet and although it did not find 
>> anything it simply reported no inconsistencies in document so did 
>> appear
> to
>> check it.
>> If it does not work properly in Excel it would definitely work in Word 
>> if you copied and pasted the spreadsheet as a table in Word.
>> I was checking the formatting of spreadsheets  I had pasted into Word
> using
>> this method only yesterday.
>> You may have to turn Text Analyser on but I normally just hit Windows 
>> alt and I to identify the next inconsistency.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Chris
> Moore
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 16:47
>> To: access-uk at freelists.org
>> Cc: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: [BCAB] JAWS and Excel
>> 
>> Hi JAWS users,
>> 
>> I am using a spreadsheet which contains lots of different coloured rows.
>> The colours visually indicate the status of a web page being reviewed.
>> 
>> One of the colours is rose, which indicates that the content is no 
>> longer live or has been deleted.  Another colour is yellow which 
>> indicates the page should not be touched.
>> 
>> The problem I am having is working my way through the spreadsheet.
>> Currently I have to read the colour attributes of every row by 
>> pressing insert + 5, and this can be quite time consuming, especially 
>> when there could be blocks of yellow or rose (100s of rows of the same
> colour).
>> 
>> I would like the ability to find the next colour change/skip past all 
>> the rose that have the same colour, until the colour changes to a 
>> different colour.  It would also be useful if JAWS would then read out 
>> the row
> colour
>> automatically when it jumps to a new colour/no colour.
>> 
>> Is this possible in Excel? I am using JAWS 12 and Excel 2003.
>> 
>> If anyone can come up with a solution, or know of a script that indeed 
>> performs this task, I would be very grateful.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:26:21 -0000
>> From: "Roger Woolgrove" <rawoolgrove at gmail.com>
>> To: "B C A B" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>> Message-ID: <CD4DB699A8BC43FB9EF451F4362A733C at roger>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am having issues using my right click.
>> 
>> Bearing in mind that I have used Jaws for years, I do not know much 
>> about how to do things with it.
>> 
>> I am using a macbook with Windows XP running and Jaws 13.  Therefore 
>> no applications key.
>> 
>> If I try shift + F10 the audio is silenced rather than any menus 
>> becoming obvious.  The function I am trying to do is Drop Box related 
>> in that I
> want
>> to send a link to a file and am told to right click on the file.  
>> Hence
> the
>> problem.  I have been unable to find  "Drop Box" in any of the menus 
>> to go about it that way either.
>> 
>> So if you have a solution, please step-by-step.
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:32:06 -0000
>> From: <roger.south at virgin.net>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] USB 3.0
>> Message-ID: <0F9AA2CFA1F54F1AA7D1A513FDFE25D5 at RogerPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> I?m seriously thinking of getting a large external hard drive for 
>> backups
> to
>> my music and system. To speed up the work USB 3.0 would be preferable 
>> but
> I
>> would need card/controller installed on my motherboard. Before I can 
>> do anything I need to know if I have a spare slot available for this 
>> installation. I seem to remember that Belarc Advisor at one time told 
>> me
> if
>> there were any spare slots. I?ve looked and can?t find anything on there.
>> Short of calling in an engineer is there any way I can find this
> information
>> out before buying the necessary equipment?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:22:48 +0000
>> From: Laurence Taylor <g7mzh at btopenworld.com>
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] thunderbird
>> Message-ID: <512BABF8.1020704 at btopenworld.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed
>> 
>> Stuart was asking how to send an email to all his contacts at once 
>> with Thunderbird.
>> 
>> Select "Address Book" (Ctrl-Shift-B)
>> Hit Ctrl-A
>> Select "Write" (or right-click and then W)
>> 
>> This is with the latest update (17.0.3), I assume other versions will 
>> be the same.
>> 
>> Note that this puts all the addresses in the "to" field, so everyone 
>> will see everyone else's address. You can change them all to BCC, but 
>> I can find no way of doing that automatically.
>> 
>> --
>> rgds
>> LAurence
>> <><
>> ... I don't hate Windows - it runs great under OS/2!
>> ~~~ Tagzilla (tagzilla.mozdev.org)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 18:36:33 -0000
>> From: "David Griffith" <d.griffith at btinternet.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>> Message-ID: <64C835571DDD40A599B4867E15C11F02 at DAVIDPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Personally in your situation I would use the free utility Sharp keys 
>> to remap  one of your existing keys to become the application key.
>> This application is straightforward and fully accessible.
>> Just nominate the key in the first combo box and then select the 
>> application key in the second combo box and let Sharp keys amend the 
>> registry.
>> Quite which one you remap will depend on the keys available.
>> 
>> I have used the alt graphic key on a netbook to make into a 
>> application
> key
>> and similarly a the right option on a Mac keyboard.
>> Potentially though you could just remap one of the function keys to 
>> become the Application key.
>> 
>> Hope that you find one that that works.
>> Of course jaws number row 1 will turn keyboard help on to help you 
>> find a suitable key.
>> 
>> David Griffith
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Roger 
>> Woolgrove
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 17:26
>> To: B C A B
>> Subject: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am having issues using my right click.
>> 
>> Bearing in mind that I have used Jaws for years, I do not know much 
>> about how to do things with it.
>> 
>> I am using a macbook with Windows XP running and Jaws 13.  Therefore 
>> no applications key.
>> 
>> If I try shift + F10 the audio is silenced rather than any menus 
>> becoming obvious.  The function I am trying to do is Drop Box related 
>> in that I
> want
>> to send a link to a file and am told to right click on the file.  
>> Hence
> the
>> problem.  I have been unable to find  "Drop Box" in any of the menus 
>> to go about it that way either.
>> 
>> So if you have a solution, please step-by-step.
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
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>> Message: 10
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 19:36:55 +0000
>> From: George Bell <George at techno-vision.co.uk>
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] USB 3.0
>> Message-ID:
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>> 
>> Hi Roger,
>> 
>> You should be able to feel any existing expansion cards in your 
>> system,
> and
>> see if there are any blanks beside them.
>> 
>> If there are, this won't necessarily identify the type, but as you'll
> likely
>> need to get someone to fit it, they'll soon identify it and fit the 
>> right one.
>> 
>> BTW, Belarc should tell you the make and model of mother board, which 
>> in turn would at least let you see what slots it does have.
>> 
>> George.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
>> roger.south at virgin.net
>> Sent: 25 February 2013 17:32
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: [BCAB] USB 3.0
>> 
>> I?m seriously thinking of getting a large external hard drive for 
>> backups
> to
>> my music and system. To speed up the work USB 3.0 would be preferable 
>> but
> I
>> would need card/controller installed on my motherboard. Before I can 
>> do anything I need to know if I have a spare slot available for this 
>> installation. I seem to remember that Belarc Advisor at one time told 
>> me
> if
>> there were any spare slots. I?ve looked and can?t find anything on there.
>> Short of calling in an engineer is there any way I can find this
> information
>> out before buying the necessary equipment?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Roger
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>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 20:07:16 -0000
>> From: "eric.t" <thomson-eric at sky.com>
>> To: <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: [BCAB] o t g cable connectors
>> Message-ID: <56E2CC4C1AB84805A674EEF5735D7395 at EricPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
>> 
>> hi  where can i get o t g cable connectors for nexus7.
>> 
>> other than amazon.
>> 
>> thanks' in advance
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 00:32:44 -0000
>> From: "Roger Woolgrove" <rawoolgrove at gmail.com>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>> Message-ID: <620CF991F5CA44E781F27231994178E0 at roger>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>>    reply-type=original
>> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Thanks for the tip but every site I tried to download Sharp Keys from 
>> was blocked by Eset or Eset popped up with an alert about safety.  As 
>> this has never happened with Eset before, I was too wary to continue 
>> because of
> this
>> 
>> downloader program they used.  Do you by chance have a link you can
> certify
>> 
>> as safe or a copy you could send directly?
>> 
>> Many thanks
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Griffith" <d.griffith at btinternet.com>
>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>> 
>> 
>>> Personally in your situation I would use the free utility Sharp keys 
>>> to remap  one of your existing keys to become the application key.
>>> This application is straightforward and fully accessible.
>>> Just nominate the key in the first combo box and then select the 
>>> application key in the second combo box and let Sharp keys amend the 
>>> registry.
>>> Quite which one you remap will depend on the keys available.
>>> 
>>> I have used the alt graphic key on a netbook to make into a 
>>> application key and similarly a the right option on a Mac keyboard.
>>> Potentially though you could just remap one of the function keys to 
>>> become the Application key.
>>> 
>>> Hope that you find one that that works.
>>> Of course jaws number row 1 will turn keyboard help on to help you 
>>> find a suitable key.
>>> 
>>> David Griffith
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Roger 
>>> Woolgrove
>>> Sent: 25 February 2013 17:26
>>> To: B C A B
>>> Subject: [BCAB] Right click for jaws
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am having issues using my right click.
>>> 
>>> Bearing in mind that I have used Jaws for years, I do not know much 
>>> about how to do things with it.
>>> 
>>> I am using a macbook with Windows XP running and Jaws 13.  Therefore 
>>> no applications key.
>>> 
>>> If I try shift + F10 the audio is silenced rather than any menus 
>>> becoming obvious.  The function I am trying to do is Drop Box related 
>>> in that I want to send a link to a file and am told to right click on 
>>> the file.  Hence the problem.  I have been unable to find  "Drop Box" 
>>> in any of the menus to go about it that way either.
>>> 
>>> So if you have a solution, please step-by-step.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> --
>>> To find out more about BCAB and the benefits that membership can 
>>> bring, please visit our website:
>>> http://www.bcab.org.uk/
>>> 
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>>> our
>>> website:
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>>> 
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>>> moderator at bcab.org.uk.
>>> 
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>>> bring, please visit our website:
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>> 
>> 
>> 
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