[BCAB] AUDIBLE BOOKS SITE

Yusuf yusufaosman at btinternet.com
Sat May 4 23:36:03 BST 2013


You do with Window Eyes.
Yusuf

On 04/05/2013 23:32, Iain Lackie wrote:
> No. I said you have to use the bypass key and Spacebar as JAWS (and I
> assume Window-Eyes) says. You don't have to turn off the virtual PC cursor.
>
> Iain
> -----Original Message----- From: Yusuf
> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 11:23 PM
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] AUDIBLE BOOKS SITE
>
> Just to clarify something. When I said I thought that the bi-pass
> followed by enter worked, I now think it isn't working. Window Eyes acts
> as if the page has been reloaded, but the links that include genre
> definitely aren't being loaded. As Ian and others have said the full
> proof way to load these sub menus is to tab to the link, then do the
> bi-pass and hit enter.
>
> But how many of us by default tab round a page? I know I don't.
> Yusuf
>
> On 04/05/2013 21:47, Iain Lackie wrote:
>> Steve
>> the Pass through key and Spacebar does work, but you must tab to the
>> link for it to do so. If you tab to the link with the submenu and follow
>> the instruction as spoken, you will be taken to the submenu.
>>
>> Iain
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Steven Bingham
>> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 9:27 PM
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] AUDIBLE BOOKS SITE
>>
>> Hi Ian
>>
>> Yes using the pass through key and then tabbing seems to work but it
>> is not
>> what is said.
>>
>> The help and advice sections are non-existent at least as far as JAWS is
>> concerned and I don't think other screen readers will be able to do
>> much in
>> that area.
>>
>> Talking to non-vision impaired people the suggestion is that anyone still
>> using older version of software like Windows XP may also have
>> difficulties
>> as IE8 cannot handle these developments. I still have an XP machine
>> and may
>> give it a try tomorrow.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Iain
>> Lackie
>> Sent: 04 May 2013 19:56
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] AUDIBLE BOOKS SITE
>>
>> Hi Steve
>> I consistently get to the submenu if I tab to the link. Using the arrow
>> keys, the pass through key has no effect, even though JAWS reads the
>> link.
>> Consistently if I use the tab key, I always am getting to the submenu. I
>> haven't looked at the help yet.
>>
>> Iain
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Steven Bingham
>> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 5:47 PM
>> To: tink at tink.co.uk ; 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] AUDIBLE BOOKS SITE
>>
>> I've just been hung up on by an Audible Costomer Service agent. This one
>> got
>> upset because he couldn't understand why I couldn't use a mouse. I had
>> explained about screen readers but he apparently wasn't listening.
>>
>> I have now established that there are inconsistency between the way the
>> link/menus work or don't work. I can get the menu on the Welcome
>> (name) to
>> work by using the pass through key. However the Library menu does not
>> come
>> up but by just pressing the space bar you get to all the relevant
>> links and
>> the library. The shop Audible link/menu does not seem to work reliably.
>> Sometimes I get to a genre sometimes I get nowhere.
>>
>> The help and advice info does appear on the screen but as far as I can
>> work
>> out screen readers cannot read it. I suspect it is being placed on the
>> screen as an object containing text but the construction of the object
>> hides
>> the text.
>>
>> Does anyone have the slightest idea what Audible are using. I don't
>> think it
>> is standard HTML5. I know that JAWS cannot handle all the new HTML5
>> elements.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> Incidentally the tech term was 'buggering about' which might give some
>> offence.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Léonie
>> Watson
>> Sent: 04 May 2013 15:20
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] AUDIBLE BOOKS (THIS MESSAGE MAY CONTAIN TECHNICAL
>> TERMS
>> THAT MAY CAUSE OFFENCE)
>>
>> There's no need to apologise for using technical terms Steve. This
>> list is
>> for discussions about technology and all matters technical. Some topics
>> will
>> be more technical than others, and some people will be more technical
>> than
>> others, but all are welcome.
>>
>>
>> You're right that Audible hasn't done a great job of its new website. The
>> first thing I noticed was that the "Sign into Audible" link is always
>> displayed, even when I'm signed into my account. The requirement to
>> pass a
>> keystroke through to the browser in the menu is ridiculous, and the page
>> that describes the new website doesn't have any content on it (with
>> Jaws at
>> least).
>>
>>
>>
>> For a website that surely knows it has a strong blind and partially
>> sighted
>> audience, they really haven't considered a sizeable chunk of the
>> marketplace. I'll be writing to them too.
>>
>> Léonie.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steven
>> Bingham
>> Sent: 03 May 2013 22:39
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: [BCAB] AUDIBLE BOOKS (THIS MESSAGE MAY CONTAIN TECHNICAL TERMS
>> THAT
>> MAY CAUSE OFFENCE)
>>
>> Hello
>>
>>
>>
>> Audible have been buggering about with their site and have effectively
>> made
>> it very unfriendly to screen reader users.
>>
>>
>>
>> The problems start with the Library and Shop Audible links near the
>> top of
>> the home (and every other page).
>>
>>
>>
>> These two links, when hovered over with a mouse, display menus. Using
>> JAWS
>> and possibly NVDA, these menu do not appear. The Library menu is not too
>> important as the options on it appear as normal links on the library page
>> which you get to through the link in the ordinary way. The menu on the
>> Shop
>> Audible link is much more important as it contains a number of links jto
>> book categories and so on that do not appear to be accessible in any
>> other
>> way.
>>
>>
>>
>> Other links like the My Account link do not appear to be accessible. At
>> least using JAWS14 and IE10 I cannot find them.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also the Help and advice facilities do not appear to be readable by JAWS.
>> Follow the link Something Looks Different and you can read a brief
>> introduction but the meat of the page is not read. Even switching to JAWS
>> cursor mode does not make it readable.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have written to Audible pointing out these difficulties but as yet have
>> not received an email response. I know that some others have also
>> contacted
>> Audible but as far as I know the best response so far is "We are
>> looking at
>> the problems." This is particularly worrying as they have obviously
>> considered screen reader users - the links I mentioned above have an
>> attached legend saying "Press pass through key and space bar to
>> activate."
>> But they have not made sure that it works. If it works with any screen
>> reader I would be interested to know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Most of the rest of the site appears to be as it always has been -
>> that is
>> just about accessible but needs patients. Although a quick look at my
>> library suggests that the new ratings system might be very painful
>> indeed to
>> ignore.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would be interested in others' comments on the new Audible site.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
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