[BCAB] Pen Friend question

Léonie Watson tink at tink.co.uk
Mon May 6 10:48:23 BST 2013


I don't think the sequence matters. It's just that you shouldn't use two packs with the same letter code at the same time. It makes sense to use label packs in alphabetical order because it's easier to keep track.

Léonie.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ruth Gillespie
Sent: 05 May 2013 22:27
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Pen Friend question

Hi Mark,

I'm definitely not trying to be awkward about this but I still don't get this thing about using labels in sequence. I've just checked how I have been using my labels and to start with, I didn't use the complete set which came with my Penfriend as I preferred the small circles for labelling VAT invoices so I bought a pack which contained the most small labels and used some of those and, believe it or not, my cleaning lady accidentally disposed of those sol, I bought another pack, the one containing the most snmall circles and ccarried on lavelling my VAT invoices with the small circles from the third pack. Now, I've just checked my VAT files and have been using a selection of labels since January 2012 and this equates to a lot of labels and when I got Penfriend to read random labels throughout my files over that period they have all read correctly.  I really must be missing something and even after your explanation, I'm still confused.  Incidentally, RNIB never, at any time, mentioned this alphabetical thing.  I'd really love to know why this was not pointed out to me.

Kind Regards

Ruth

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On 5 May 2013, at 12:30, "Prouse, Mark" <Mark.Prouse at rnib.org.uk> wrote:

Ian/Ruth, 

It's because recordings are stored on the unit, not the labels, and the labels trigger the recordings according to their code, that the packs need to be alphabetised like this.  For instance, if you got a Pack A and used Label A1 to mark some baked beans, but then got a second pack A and this time used A1 with the same Penfriend to label your Pending file, your baked beans will be announced as Pending - the unit stores the most recent recording made against each code, overwriting any previous one.  This means it's essential to know which series you've already used.  It's also important to bear this in mind if you have more than one Penfriend, because the label starter pack in the box is always in the same series.  When you order from the Helpline they can check which packs you've already had.  

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian Macrae
Sent: 04 May 2013 20:03
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Pen Friend question

Ruth, given that the labels can be re-recorded over, I think the alphabetisation is an unnecessary bit of confusion.  
On 4 May 2013, at 19:59, Ruth Gillespie Gillespie wrote:

> Please forgive my ignorance but when I call RNIB to reorder labels I'm 
> usually given the contents of each pack and am asked to choose which 
> of these I need according to the size of labels in the pack and still 
> don't understand what is meant by using labels in alphabetical order 
> as I often use labels from two different packs at the same time.  Can 
> someone please enlighten me further.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Ruth
> 
> On 5/4/13, john <bcab at developer.plus.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I don't own a pen friend but did manage to get some magnetic sticky 
>> strips from the pound shop. This is great to use on tins etc as I 
>> just take it of one tin as I use it then put on a new tin as I get 
>> it. I don't know if the pen friend labels are effected by magnits but 
>> if not, this could help make them re-usable for tins etc.
>> 
>> best, John
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Alan and Sheila Rayner" <amrayner at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 12:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Pen Friend question
>> 
>> 
>> Wendy et al,
>> 
>> I'm a bit late to this thread, so forgive me if it has already been 
>> mentioned that you can cut the labels into smaller sections like 
>> quarters if you or someone else can manage it, and each segment 
>> contains the same digital trigger to the pen friend, so that if you 
>> want to label multiple instances of the same thing, you can save 
>> yourself some labels.  This is useful for things like tinned stuff 
>> like beans where you have more than one tin.  We also use the labels 
>> for our audio magazine postal wallets.  They go under the plastic 
>> address sleeve and work very well through it, hence they are 
>> protected from wet weather, so I suppose you could use the same 
>> method for labelling plants outdoors.
>> 
>> cheers
>> 
>> Alan Michael Rayner
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Wendy Sharpe" <w.sharpe at tiscali.co.uk>
>> To: <tink at tink.co.uk>; "'BCAB Discussion List'" 
>> <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2013 3:50 AM
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Pen Friend question
>> 
>> 
>> I would put the freezer items in outer plastic bags.  Then you could 
>> put a label on the bag, and reuse the bag as many times as you like.
>> 
>> Wendy
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
>> Léonie Watson
>> Sent: 03 May 2013 22:00
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Pen Friend question
>> 
>> Any tips on re-using the labels? As in resticking them to things, 
>> rather than re-recording them? I have things in the freezer for 
>> example that I'd like to label, but which probably won't be easy to remove a label from.
>> 
>> 
>> Léonie.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ian 
>> Macrae
>> Sent: 03 May 2013 21:32
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Pen Friend question
>> 
>> In my experience, as each label is re-recordable anyway, you can just 
>> stick with the same set for each purchase and record over the original voice tag.
>> so I don't know why they've bothered giving each new set of codes a 
>> different identity.
>> On 3 May 2013, at 20:05, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Leonie.
>>> 
>>> No, this isn't the case.  The shape just helps you differentiate 
>>> between label types, IE you might use the square shaped labels to 
>>> label cd's, yet use rounded labels for bottle caps such as sauces etc.
>>> Once you've used up the labels that come with the pen friend, you 
>>> need to buy packs which are labelled alphabetically, so starting 
>>> from A, you go
>> through B, C etc. etc.
>>> Each pack of labels has unique dot configurations which the pen 
>>> friend uses to identify the label tag you recorded.  Buy two A packs 
>>> therefore and you'll end up with two sets of the same labels, then 
>>> you'll be in a right pickle.
>>> 
>>> All the best, Ibrahim.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Léonie Watson
>>> Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 7:36 PM
>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>> Subject: [BCAB] Pen Friend question
>>> 
>>> Evening,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My old Voila! Has finally given up the ghost, so I've ordered a Pen 
>>> Friend from RNIB. I'm a bit puzzled by the notice that I should only 
>>> use "one pack of the same labels" though.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Does this mean once I've used up the small round circle labels that 
>>> the Pen Friend comes with, I can't use any more of that shape from 
>>> another pack of labels? Or do I have to use all the labels in the 
>>> pack that's included, before I can use any labels from an additional pack?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If anyone can shed some light, I'd be most grateful. Thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Léonie.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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