[BCAB] Audio Described Iplayer programmes

David Griffith d.griffith at btinternet.com
Sun Apr 13 13:08:37 BST 2014


Well I have  just tested this by switching to Window Eyes and it does appear
on the face of it another example of where Window-Eyes on the web is more
difficult.  I could not get Window-Eyes  to find the play button that Jaws
14 identifies on the same page without any problem.
I tested this on IE 11 with Window-Eyes for Office. 
It may be that some setting in Window Eyes needs to be adjusted in order for
it to see these elements. Someone more used to cudgelling web usage out of
Window-Eyes may have to help here.

As a matter of interest I tried NVDA and it does at least recognise the play
element as an embedded object.  I cannot recall how you interact with
embedded Flash objects in NVDA but that may be a solution if somebody could
advise there.

In the meantime I can only suggest using Jaws in demo mode rather than
Window-Eyes to access the service.

David Griffith



-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of David
Sent: 13 April 2014 12:03
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Audio Described Iplayer programmes

Hi I am using window-eyes not Jaws.  I have tried B for finding buttons 
but only get search, tv favourites and report issue.  Any ideas what I 
am doing wrong please.

Dave

On 12/04/2014 16:47, Darran Ross wrote:
> Have you guys got JAWS set to recognise Flash Movies?
>
> If you have, it should just be a case of hitting letter b until you 
> land on the Play button to begin. It really is as straight-forward as 
> that. But JAWS must be set to recognise flash, otherwise you'll not 
> find that play button.
>
>
> Darran
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" 
> <d.griffith at btinternet.com>
> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2014 1:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Audio Described Iplayer programmes
>
>
>> No I have exactly the same problems. Udin Jaws 14 Windows 7 and IE 11.
>>
>> I think the BBC have messed up accessibility on the site again.
>>
>> David Griffith
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of David
>> Sent: 11 April 2014 23:28
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Audio Described Iplayer programmes
>>
>> Hi Henny thanks to you and the others who have replied on this one.  I
>> accessed the Iplayer quite easily and found the link to audio described
>> content. I could not find any categorisation between signed and audio
>> described.  I seemed to have a list of audio described programmes, then
>> when I clicked on Crimson Fileld which I wanted to watch I got the
>> Crimson Field page up but could find nothing to click on to play it.  Am
>> I supposed to sign in first or am I missing something.
>>
>>
>> Dave Mawson
>>
>>
>> On 09/04/2014 13:36, Henny Swan wrote:
>>> Hi Clive and all,
>>>
>>> If you go to the new iPlayer site you will find 'Audio Described' and
>>> 'Signed' within Categories as Darren and John correctly state. The 
>>> Audio
>>> Described and Signed categories are separate however programmes can be
>>> both audio described and signed as well as all on demand content being
>>> subtitled.
>>>
>>> We're well aware many people quite rightly don't want to be forced 
>>> to just
>>> use a dedicated Audio Described or Signed Category so the 
>>> alternative is
>>> to simply browse programmes as you normally would and where 
>>> programmes are
>>> presented in the 'Full List' view you'll find information indicating if
>>> they are available in alternative formats such as Audio Described, 
>>> Signed
>>> and High Definition. For example if you search for a programme or 
>>> browse
>>> the Full List of drama content you will find each programme tagged
>>> accordingly (for example a search for Question Time
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/search?q=question%20time). This 
>>> information
>>> is also repeated on individual programme pages.
>>>
>>> You can also add programmes to your Favourites so that future 
>>> episodes are
>>> faster to find. The Recently Watched (Heading Level Two) area on the 
>>> home
>>> page also lists the last 3 items you watched which might be another 
>>> route
>>> in.
>>>
>>> For more about accessibility in the new iPlayer (web based version, not
>>> native) see
>>>
>>
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/internet/posts/Making-the-new-iPlayer-accessible 
>>
>>> -for-all-users
>>>
>>> I hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Henny Swan,
>>> BBC Accessibility Specialist, BBC
>>>
>>> On 09/04/2014 10:33,"Clive.Lever at kent.gov.uk" <Clive.Lever at kent.gov.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I'd rather check the list of programmes to find my 
>>>> favourite
>>>> items, and to be able to see the AD version alongside the standard one
>>>> with a flag against it, rather than have to look in a 'special' 
>>>> plays for
>>>> 'the disabled' to find out what programmes have been described 'for 
>>>> us',
>>>> and if it's not on the list, to have to go back to the main list 
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> "Signed and described" is a bit ambiguous, as some people could infer
>>>> that these are the programmes which have both facilities.
>>>>
>>>> The problem with having all programmes signed/described and flagged in
>>>> the same list as other programmes is that it might draw attention 
>>>> to the
>>>> proportionate number of programmes for which there is no description
>>>> available....and we can't have that, can we?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Clive
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clive Lever
>>>> Diversity and Equality Officer
>>>> Kent County Council
>>>>
>>>> Office: 01622 221163
>>>> Email:clive.lever at kent.gov.uk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kent County Council
>>>> Room G37
>>>> Sessions House
>>>> Maidstone, Kent.
>>>> ME14 1XQ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Paton,
>>>> John
>>>> Sent: 09 April 2014 09:47
>>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Audio Described Iplayer programmes
>>>>
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>>
>>>> iPlayer also has a category labelled Audio described & Signed.  Audio
>>>> Described is a sub category of that.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Darran
>>>> Ross
>>>> Sent: 08 April 2014 22:01
>>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Audio Described Iplayer programmes
>>>>
>>>> Dave, if you just go to the main iPlayer site and look fore a link
>>>> labeled
>>>> Audio Content, you'll find it. If you're a JAWS user, insert F7 is 
>>>> your
>>>> friend on this occasion.
>>>>
>>>> Darran
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "David"<damawson at hotmail.co.uk>
>>>> To: "BCAB Discussion List"<bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 8:40 PM
>>>> Subject: [BCAB] Audio Described Iplayer programmes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have the link for audio described programmes on the BBC
>>>>> Iplayer please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave Mawson
>>>>>
>>>>>
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