[BCAB] Sandra's thinking of taking the touch screen plunge!

Neela neela4 at btinternet.com
Tue Feb 18 17:28:31 GMT 2014


If the thread continues could we call it Android and Apple or some such name 
as I think we have passede Sandra's question here.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris H" <christopherh40 at gmail.com>
To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Sandra's thinking of taking the touch screen plunge!


>I concur. Not wishing to advertise anything but I feel quite an expert when 
>it comes to iOS and to some degree Os X. It's iOS we're discussing here but 
>just saying. Ask me about Android and I'm stuck and would have to do lots 
>of research but I do try my best.
>
> Regards Chris
>
> On 18/02/2014 16:31, Phil Smalley wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I have never touched an apple device but do have a nexus 4 android phone 
>> and nexus 7 (first edition) tablet.  However, I regrettably have to 
>> endorse comments made by Graham.
>>
>> A bit of a techy, and also a bit tight, I chose the Android because I 
>> couldn't see the point in paying more for a product which could, roughly 
>> speaking, achieve the same.  However, were I in the position to start 
>> afresh now, I think I would go for the Apple iPhone.
>>
>> The primary reason being, resources i.e. documentation.  I haven't got 
>> all the time in the world to faff and try things, scrabbling bits of 
>> information from here and there from the internet etc.  with Apple, 
>> there's the introductory booklet available from RNIB, plus the apple vis 
>> website.
>>
>> Also, if you consider this list, most queries and responses relate to 
>> apple products.  I conclude there must be far more sight-impaired people 
>> using Apple products than Android from whom to tap for information and 
>> support.
>>
>> Best wishes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>      Phil
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Graham 
>> Page
>> Sent: 18 February 2014 16:05
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Sandra's thinking of taking the touch screen plunge!
>>
>> Hi Sandra.
>>
>> While I have very little experience of using Android devices, I would be
>> very cautious about products such as Georgy and Synaptec (spellings may 
>> be a
>> bit dodgy here).  They are expensive and they are closed systems that 
>> only
>> allow you to use applications that they support.  I feel sure myself that
>> you are far better off going with Apple with lots of apps available for 
>> it
>> than choosing Android then paying extra to limit what it will do.  If the
>> developer goes bust or runs out of money you are left high and dry.  This
>> could of course happen with anyone but, if it were me, I'd choose either 
>> the
>> IPhone or look at Android with talkback which is undoubtedly improving.
>>
>> The other big issue to consider is the ease of learning a system.  I know
>> that Getting Started with the IPhone has already been suggested here but
>> there are websites such as AppleVis which hosts a large number of helpful
>> articles and guides.
>>
>> I know Android has bvarious email lists associated with it but I think in
>> general the amounte of written resources aranged on a comprehensive 
>> website
>> is not yet quite there.
>>
>> I still say that the IPhone is the easiest product to learn to use as 
>> there
>> are more resources out there.  You get better after sales support as, 
>> even
>> if you buy through your network provider, you can still go to Apple as
>> though you bought from there.
>>
>> Android with Talkback is pretty functional now adays and if you want a 
>> more
>> open platform and you want to use a wide range of apps and share data
>> between them easily and you are in general a person who likes exploring
>> technical product even if you run the risk of breaking something 
>> ocasionally
>> (I don't mean literally ruining), then Android with talkback is worth
>> considering.  some have mentioned the Motorola Moto G
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Graham
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steve 
>> Nutt
>> Sent: 18 February 2014 11:31
>> To: sandragayer7 at gmail.com; 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Sandra's thinking of taking the touch screen plunge!
>>
>> Hi Sandra,
>>
>> Talkback is getting better and better all the time.  You really do not 
>> need
>> add-on speech solutions.  I am totally blind and use Talkback all day 
>> every
>> day to run my business.
>>
>> What makes you say Talkback isn't very good?  You've probably read blogs
>> from iPhone users who want it to be exactly like an iPhone and it isn't,
>> thank goodness.  Just as good though.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steeve
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Sandra 
>> Gayer
>> Sent: 18 February 2014 11:25
>> To: Iain Lackie
>> Cc: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Sandra's thinking of taking the touch screen plunge!
>>
>> Thank you everyone for such comprehensive answers! I think that if I 
>> bought
>> an Android phone, I would need to buy a speech solution as I haven't 
>> heard
>> encouraging things about Talkback at this stage. I heard about an Indian
>> engineer who designed a Braille Smartphone prototype, planning to launch
>> towards the end of last year and nothing has been reported since. 
>> Articles
>> kept saying, "unique", "world's first" and "enterprising", however, it's 
>> the
>> fourth product of this kind I've heard about over the last three years,
>> following the same pattern of excitement to silence which is a real 
>> shame.
>>
>> Returning to my current plan of action, I have to admit I am tempted by 
>> the
>> 4S pricetag even though it's 8 Gigabytes. Can anyone tell me if Voiceover
>> comes with an acceptable voice at the start. I'd be perfectly happy with 
>> ETI
>> Eliquence. If it came with that I wouldn't buy something else as well.
>>
>> Muz, I haven't already got a Braille display although I do use an MPower
>> that, apparently, cannot connect to IOS or Android. If Android phones 
>> still
>> had physical qwerty keyboards, that could change everything.
>>
>> Very best wishes,
>> Sandra.
>>
>> On 2/18/14, Iain Lackie <ilackie at perth44.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 16 would probably be sufficient, but I myself went for 32.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 17 Feb 2014, at 11:09 pm, Sandra Gayer <sandragayer7 at gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello again everyone,
>>>> Thank you so much for all your advice! The thing I really want is a
>>>> Braille Tablet/Smartphone Hybrid. Well I don't have 1000 years to
>>>> wait for that so I'm sticking to the Smartphone with Braille Display
>>>> plan of action.
>>>>
>>>> I was most in favour of the IPhone although I liked th idea of
>>>> greater choice if looking at the Android OS. My last question is:
>>>> I've just about decided to purchase an IPhone C but don't know
>>>> whether I'd need 16 or 32 gigabytes worth of space. Would 16 be
>>>> alright if I wanted a premium voice for Voice-over and several apps?
>>>> Would the speed of the unit be compromised? Also, does connecting
>>>> external devices such as Braille Displays take upGigabytes? I don't
>>>> know as much as I would like to.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for putting up with my questions, very best wishes, Sandra.
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/17/14, Chris H <christopherh40 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> And if you are a Braillist check out the excellent MBraille.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards Chris
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17/02/2014 18:05, Iain Lackie wrote:
>>>>>> Fleksy is an app which some people find makes typing on the iPhone
>>>>>> easier and quicker. The idea is that you tap the screen where you
>>>>>> think the letter you want might be and the app constructs the word
>>>>>> it thinks you want. There is a list of words in case the initial
>>>>>> word you are given isn't the one you want. You can also add words
>>>>>> to the Fleksy dictionary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Iain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Padma Cheriyan
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 5:32 PM
>>>>>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Sandra's thinking of taking the touch screen
>>>>>> plunge!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you please tell me what is flexi ap?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Padma
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> Iain Lackie
>>>>>> Sent: 17 February 2014 17:28
>>>>>> To: sandragayer7 at gmail.com; BCAB Discussion List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Sandra's thinking of taking the touch screen
>>>>>> plunge!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had to make this leap last year. I opted for the iPhone and
>>>>>> haven't regretted it. In my case, it was an iPhone 5. The onscreen
>>>>>> keyboard took a bit of getting used to. However, with the Fleksy
>>>>>> app, my typing has speeded up greatly. I can't comment on Android
>>>>>> phones as I have never used one.
>>>>>> However, I think that the fact that speech is built into the Apple
>>>>>> OS is a definite plus point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Iain
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Gayer
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 12:59 PM
>>>>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>>>>> Subject: [BCAB] Sandra's thinking of taking the touch screen plunge!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>> I'm sorry if this seems like this question is being asked too often
>>>>>> but I'm thinking about keeping my Nokia C5 as a back-up and taking
>>>>>> the final step towards a smartphone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been looking into IPhone versus Android and I like theIPhone
>>>>>> because the speech and accessible applications seem to be further
>>>>>> developed than the latter. (Please tell me if I'm wrong about this).
>>>>>> Apple's Braille support seems to be more sound, (they have key
>>>>>> strokes listed and I haven't found this with my Android research).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple seem to be selling 4S 5S and 5C. I don't want to start an
>>>>>> argument but, from the Blind perspective, what's the difference
>>>>>> apart from different numbers and letters? Does IOS 7 have a good or
>>>>>> bad impact on Voiceover or Braille Displays?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been looking into Braille Displays as well and like the sound
>>>>>> of the Braille Pen 12 Touch. Does anyone have any experience with
>>>>>> it and, if so, how durable is it? Would anyone recommend one
>>>>>> Braille Display in conjunction with a touch screen mobile device over
>> another?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologise for all these questions just before lunch!
>>>>>> Very best wishes,
>>>>>> Sandra.
>>>>>
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