[BCAB] Biting the bullet.

Eleanor Martha Burke eleanormarthaburke at gmail.com
Fri May 9 02:19:26 BST 2014


Thanks Muzz for the info below and I will certainly draw upon it but it was
actually the app you had referred to which would make the iPhone act like a
touch pad that I wanted to know about in terms of how to use it.

Eleanor

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Muzzamil
Lakhani
Sent: 09 May 2014 00:17
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Biting the bullet.

Well I’ve used the app for well over a year Eleanor, and it’s a really
simple interface.!
The words “in app purchases” refers to the fact that there are additional
features one can unlock with a small payment. This app isn’t one of those.

>From Left to right, the tabs on the app are:
Documents, Cells and Lines, Numbering, Processing
The Documents tab is where you choose the file for Brailling, define the
formatting and tables, control the output
Cells and Lines is where you choose the number of cells per line, the number
of lines per page, one/two sided Braille per page and the way the words are
dealt with, e.g. hyphenated.
Numbering is where you define the page numbers, both in Braille and print,
number alignment and visibility of page numbers
Processing is where you define if you want the back conversion to be text,
HTML etc, and the XML headers is for DAISY files.
At each tab, you can preview the configuration, which is the only sighted
bit of the app, and if you know what embosser or device is in use, can be
easily circumnavigated.
When all parameters are set, just hit the Run Translation button and your
document will be processed.
>From the menus at the top, you can even get a PDF of the user manual, which
would probably be a good document to manipulate if you’re unsure of what
settings are best suited to your needs and available hardware, and just this
exercise made me gen’d up on how the whole thing behaves.
Happy Brailling! :)
HTH
Muzz
 
Muzz Lakhani
Technology Development & Training Officer
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On 8 May 2014, at 22:59, David Griffith <d.griffith at btinternet.com> wrote:

> Well whilst we are talking about accessories for a MacBook or Air an
option
> which many forget is the possibility of buying an a cheap external uSB
> Numpad keyboard.
> 
> These can be bought very cheaply, I experimented with one which was under
> £10,, I think it was actually only £5 when bought on Amazon.
> The advantage of this device is that it is a fraction of the size of an
> external keyboard but extends much of the functionality of the numpad
> commander to MacBook and Air users. Due to their size they are also very
> portable.
> 
> There is one restriction which I am aware of which applies to the external
> Numpad as opposed to the one built into the apple keyboards .  This
> restriction is that it is  not possible to customise the key functionality
> using the  numpad commander options panel in Voiceover Utility. However
you
> should be able to access the default options with an external numpad
> providing all the normal keys are present.
> 
> I obviously cannot guarantee this works as I have not tested more than one
> of them. Before anyone asks I have no idea of the model I bought but it
was
> the cheapest one on Amazon.
> I connected it and it appeared to work fine for default functionality.
> 
> So for example in Numpad commander the following is available 
> 1 = item chooser.
> 2 =  VO down arrow.
> 4 = vo left arrow.
> 5 = Vo space 
> 6 = vo right arrow 
> 8 = Vo up arrow.
> So essentially navigating around the Mac becomes simply a matter of using
> the numpad cursors keys clustered around the 5 and pressing that 5 button
> when you want to execute anything.
> In addition.
> Numpad plus key = shift VO M  or same as application key on Windows for
> context menu.
> 7 = shift Vo up arrow  or un-interact.
> 9= shift  vo down arrow or interact.
> VO mum lock toggles numpad commander on and off.
> Numpad slash = VO M or quick access to menu. Press twice quickly to go to
> status menu.
> Numpad asterix  = Window chooser.
> 
> David Griffith
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Eleanor
> Martha Burke
> Sent: 08 May 2014 22:16
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Biting the bullet.
> 
> I have downloaded this app but it seems quite visual in terms of getting
> started.  Have you used it Muzz?  Can you give a quick guide start?  What
> are the in-app purchases?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Muzzamil
> Lakhani
> Sent: 08 May 2014 21:23
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Biting the bullet.
> 
> Here is an app that will allow the trackpad functionality as I mentioned:
>
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/remote-mouse-mobile-trackpad/id385894596?mt=
> 8
> 
> I’ve found the following trackpads that will allow connectivity to a Mac:-
> Logitech trackpad for Mac:
> 
>
http://thenextweb.com/gadgets/2012/12/14/logitech-trackpad-for-mac-review-a-
> viable-magic-trackpad-alternative-with-an-unfortunate-trade-off/
> 
> 
> Wacom Bamboo:
> http://www.wacom.com/en/gb/everyday/bamboo-pad-wireless
> 
> I’d also recommend shopping on eBay for prices much cheaper than what
Apple
> has to offer directly. :)
> 
> HTH
> Muzz 
> 
> 
> 
> Muzz Lakhani
> Technology Development & Training Officer
> Fram3 Ltd
> The Dylan Thomas Centre
> Somerset Place
> Swansea
> SA1 1RR
> Tel: +44-(0)1792 655948
> Mobile: +44-(0)7766 114719
> Email: muzz at fram3.co.uk
> Personal: Muzz.Lakhani at googlemail.com
> Twitter: @emperorMuzz
> 
> On 8 May 2014, at 20:37, Eleanor Martha Burke
<eleanormarthaburke at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Muzz that is brilliant re the key combination on the right.  I will
>> certainly adopt that from now.  The second thing is that Apple told me
the
>> track pad is around £65 so are you implying that there are other
Bluetooth
>> ones on the market which I could purchase other than the one with the
> Apple
>> logo?  Finally, how then is an iOS device configured to act as a trackpad
>> for the Mac?
>> 
>> Eleanor
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of M Lakhani
>> Sent: 08 May 2014 20:12
>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Biting the bullet.
>> 
>> Well a neat trick I've found to more efficiently control the trackpad is
> to
>> use an external one. Bluetooth trackpad can cost around £25-£40 & you can
>> even control the mac using an iOS device as an external trackpad!
>> I use an app  called iText Express for Word Processing. There is also a
> way
>> to customise VO for one hand control, & VO can even be scripted!
>> The cmd+shift+d is a native MacOS gesture & even my sighted friends use
it
>> all the time.
>> One thing you might find useful to perform the cmd+shift+d gesture,
> Eleanor,
>> is to use the command key on the right hand  side of the space bar, so
> that
>> the left hand only needs to press the shift & d key! Even I do it this
way
>> due to an arthritic left hand! For an even less strain on the left hand,
> you
>> can even press the shift key on the right hand. This way, your hand stays
>> closer to the touch type hand position, & studies show that this allows
>> better focussing of the eyes on the screen, & hence better posturing of
> the
>> neck!
>> Any key combo announced straight after the preceding menu item is VO's
way
>> of announcing the OS gestures.
>> 
>> HTH
>> Muzz
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 8 May 2014, at 19:00, "Eleanor Martha Burke"
>> <eleanormarthaburke at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually Sandra I should have said something about the touch pad.  This
> of
>>> course resembles the hand gestures used on an iOS device but while I am
>> very
>>> efficient with my iPhone, iPod and iPad mini, no way can I use the touch
>> pad
>>> and actually have had to turn it off as I was jumping about the place.
I
>>> identified that my 'jumping about' was due to me lightly touching the
>> touch
>>> pad.  It is easy to turn on and off so maybe in the future I willmaster
>> it.
>>> My current tutor on the Mac does not use it either and he is very good.
>>> Others would not be without it of course and it works just fine with
> voice
>>> over.  I would be interested in our comments after you have seen one and
>> you
>>> can send off list if you like to eleanormarthaburke at gmail.com or if the
>> Mods
>>> permit, then reply on list.
>>> 
>>> Eleanor
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Sandra
>>> Heaton
>>> Sent: 08 May 2014 18:32
>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Biting the bullet.
>>> 
>>> Thanks Eleanor,
>>> 
>>> I appreciate this.  I may come back to you soon to ask where you found
> the
>> 
>>> list or maybe you have the address?  no doubt I will most probably need
> it
>> 
>>> at some point.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> take care,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sandra
>>> Braille Greeting Cards
>>> www.braille-greetings-cards.co.uk
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Eleanor Martha Burke" <eleanormarthaburke at gmail.com>
>>> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 5:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Biting the bullet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sandra, maybe I should be writing off list but my comments might be of
>>> interest to others also.
>>> 
>>> I too had an iPhone and iPod and even an iPad mini.  There is no real
>>> resemblance between these devices and the Mac apart from voice over,
that
>>> said of course for one using a Bluetooth keyboard with these devices
then
>>> there is a greater similarity.  I started off not having a clue, could
>> only
>>> just about turn on the Mac *smile*.  Thanks to much help I have
>> progressed.
>>> In the Apple store I found it hard to have a demo on the Mac as there
was
>> so
>>> much external environmental noise so I recommend you bring along some
>>> headphones and I am sure the person in the Apple store will pair them
> with
>> a
>>> Mac for you.  I liked the size and style of the Mac Book Air and had
>> decided
>>> it would replace my NC10 Windows XP Home netbook, which incidentally I
am
>>> still hanging on to for dear life!!!  I did not find the Mac at all
>>> intuitive, I was more puzzled about the number of fingers I required to
>>> execute a command, for example whereas on my Windows machine I could
> press
>> 2
>>> keys to send an e-mail, I found myself having to use 4 fingers which was
>> and
>>> remains very cumbersome.  I also found the concept of tables strange and
>>> having to interact and uninteract with a table.  However, that is
> becoming
>>> clearer as time goes on.  What I miss particularly is the magnification
> as
>> I
>>> use Supernova but have installed a demo of Zoomtext which I have not
>>> activated yet as I want to get to know the keystrokes.  Everyone says to
>>> read the tutorials and listen to the podcasts on using the Mac with
voice
>>> over and these are indeed very useful.  It was also suggested to me that
> I
>>> might think of paying the Apple fee of about and I quote loosely here
£79
>>> per year to have one to one lessons at the Apple Store.  I am reluctant
> to
>>> do this as there is no real expert at my local Apple store who could
>>> meaningfully teach me though I believe in central London at the Regent
>>> Street branch of Apple there are suitably qualified people.  I have
found
>>> myself someone who can assist me who is a Mac user and have also joined
a
>>> Mac e-mail list which I do not bother with much these days though I do
>> read
>>> it in case there is something of interest to me there.  While I had
>>> considered giving the Mac Book Air to a niece or nephew within weeks of
>>> purchasing it, I can now say that I have changed my mind and enjoy using
>> the
>>> Mac.  To date I have not used word processing but have sent e-mails,
>>> received e-mails, sent and received iMessages, made notes and have used
>>> Safari.  I am disappointed that iBooks is not accessable with voice
over.
>>> The cost is high financially so I guess I went for the cheaper option of
>> the
>>> Mac Book air and an external CD/DVD drive.  As I am an Open University
>>> student, I asked Apple if they offered any discount to students on proof
>> of
>>> attendance at the college/university and I got about 15% discount which
>> was
>>> good as I think it amounted to about £120.00 off the asking price.  Oh
>> yes,
>>> I have used Skype on the Mac too.  Finally, I would like to thank all
> list
>>> members on this list who have answered my Mac questions and helped me
>>> greatly.
>>> 
>>> Eleanor
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Sandra
>>> Heaton
>>> Sent: 08 May 2014 16:41
>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Biting the bullet.
>>> 
>>> Hi Eleanor,
>>> 
>>> Did you find it pretty easy?  or did you take to it straight away!  I
>>> already have an ipad and an iphone so it shouldn't be too difficult.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.  I am hoping to go over to Manchester next week as I wanted to
>>> actually go in to an apple store and have a look properly  I like to
have
>> my
>>> 
>>> hands on it and just get the feel for it before I buy.
>>> 
>>> Manchester is the nearest apple store to me.  I am quite excited about
it
>>> now.  I bet you think I am silly being excited.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sandra
>>> Braille Greeting Cards
>>> www.braille-greetings-cards.co.uk
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Eleanor Martha Burke" <eleanormarthaburke at gmail.com>
>>> To: "BCAB Discussion List" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2014 4:00 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Biting the bullet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> good luck Sandra I did the same and got the Mac book air
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On 8 May 2014, at 15:26, "Sandra Heaton" <sandra at sandras-place.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks to all who made comments about the macs.  thank you all very
>> much.
>>> 
>>>>> I now know what I have decided to do!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am going to buy a Mac Pro and will run it alongside  my computer
that
>> I
>>> 
>>>>> already have so that I can slowly move over from Windows doing it
>>>>> gradually.  I am sure I will have fun with the new system.
>>>>> 
>>>>> thanks for your help in this matter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sandra
>>>>> Braille Greeting Cards
>>>>> www.braille-greetings-cards.co.uk
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