[BCAB] Windows 7 system images

Joe Paton joe at vi-ability.demon.co.uk
Thu May 15 11:22:12 BST 2014


Hi,

I have used the Pre-installation to install Windows 64-bit from a
formatted HD.
The environment permitted the install from a genuine windows instalation
cd/dvd, and worked just fine.

Don't know how it works as a restore from a bbackup.

Thanks.

Joe


On Tue, 13 May 2014 14:40:28 +0100
Agent Orange <agentorange at talktalk.net> wrote:


Hi Mo,

What follows is from  memory, it's a while since I've had cause to delve
into it - so do correct me if I have gone off track:

Brian Smart has provided two versions of the Win 7 pre installation
environment with NVDA, both as ISO images.  

Both versions boot into a Win 7 environment, and both of them enable 32 bit
versions of Windows to be restored to your PC, either from your own DVD
media, or in the case of the larger version, from included ISO images of the
OS.

The larger of the two versions (I think he calls it the Maxi version or
something like that) also enables 64 bit versions of Windows up to and
including Win 7 to be restored.  It does this by pre-packaging the relevant
Windows ISO images with the environment.  I thought that it included Win 7
64 bit.  All versions of Windows pre-packaged are localised for English.

As I recall, I believe that the main limitations are that:

-  Neither version of the environment allows Win 8 64 bit to be restored;
and

-  You cannot use a Windows DVD to restore any 64 bit version of the OS; to
do this  you must use the pre-packaged ISO images which form part of the
larger version of the environment, as mentioned above.  

So, this will not be suitable if you want to restore Win 8, or Win 7 64 bit
using your own DVD (rather than the supplied ISO) to obtain non-English
localisations.

Big caveat - that is my recollection from several months ago and I may be
wrong.

If anyone is interested to know more, it is all explained at some length on
the website and in a readme file with the images once you download them.

Phil





-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal
Sent: 13 May 2014 13:13
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Windows 7 system images

hi. it only seems to work with 32bit installations though, something 
which could be a drawback as most systems these days are 64bit. unless 
the developers have fixed that limitation now?

all the best,

Mo.

On 13/05/2014 13:05, Agent Orange wrote:
> Leonie, see this link for details about the talking Windows pre
installation
> environment which enables one to perform a fresh installation of Windows
> using NVDA to provide speech support:
>
> http://blog.bryansmart.com/talking-windows-7-pre-installation-environment/
>
> Phil
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Léonie
> Watson
> Sent: 13 May 2014 12:08
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Windows 7 system images
>
> Thanks Richard, Phil and Mo. Just so I'm sure, is it possible to do a
> complete restore (Windows, files, the lot) using Image for Windows, and
> without sighted help?
>
> Would also be interested to know about the Windows/NVDA install CD you
> mentioned Phil.
>
> Léonie.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Agent
Orange
> Sent: 13 May 2014 12:04
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Windows 7 system images
>
>
> Hi mo,
>
> Yes that is correct.  I use a Linux Boot CD which boots into a Linux live
> version of Image for Windows.  From there it is possible to perform the
> restoration.  However, as you say, there is no speech support at this
point.
> The only way to achieve it is to memorise (or more likely, write down) the
> key sequence for performing the task, or get sighted assistance to do it.
>
> Someone has created a live windows recovery CD with NVDA speech support,
but
> this only enables a completely fresh reinstallation of the OS rather than
> the restoration of your own image.  It uses something based on Bart PE
with
> NVDA built in.  I imagine that's the sort of thing you might be using.
>
> I'd be happy to test out your backup and recovery Live environment using
an
> older XP machine rather than my current Win 7 machine.  If that's any good
> to you, put me down.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Mobeen
Iqbal
> Sent: 13 May 2014 11:32
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Windows 7 system images
>
> hi phil.
>
> once you've got an image for windows backup image, how do you go about
> restoring it? for example if windows isn't working would you have to get
> sighted help for the restoration?
>
> Mo.
>
> On 13/05/2014 11:28, Agent Orange wrote:
>> The Win 7 backup and restore applet is accessible, and it generally
works.
>> However, as backup and restore packages go, I do not find it to be
>> particularly intuitive.  For instance, it is not possible to store
>> different images in subdirectories on your chosen external disc.  Once
>> you have selected a hard disc on which to store your backup files
>> and/or your images, you cannot create your own directory structure -
>> everything goes in the root.  And the naming convention adopted by
>> this utility is itself rather awkward to navigate.  The control panel
>> applet which controls the backup and restore utility also suffers from
>> some rather sloppy design.  For instance, the distinction between file
>> backups and complete system images is rather blurred to the point
>> where it can be confusing whether you are creating / restoring a file
>> set
> or a complete image.
>> I would urge consideration of something like Image For Windows which
>> is both fully accessible with JFW and (in my view) more intuitive to use.
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Léonie
>> Watson
>> Sent: 13 May 2014 11:18
>> To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
>> Subject: [BCAB] Windows 7 system images
>>
>> Morning,
>>
>>    
>>
>> My computer routinely needs flattening and reinstalling. This time I'm
>> thinking about using the Windows 7 system image feature to create an
>> image of my hard drive, just after I have a basic setup in place.
>>
>>    
>>
>> If anyone has any experience of using this tool, and/or can shed some
>> light on how the backup/restore process is (with Jaws/NVDA), I'd
>> appreciate your thoughts. Thanks.
>>
>>    
>>
>> Léonie.
>>
>>    
>>
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