[BCAB] Amedia Live

paul leake paul.leake at ntlworld.com
Tue Aug 9 15:41:17 BST 2016


Paul,

It's not simply about a disclaimer but also identify useability 
for partially sighted or totally blind people, this would make 
things much clearer and be of wider benefit and encourage greater 
participation in the project from RNIB's perspective!

Kind regards,

Paul

paul.leake at ntlworld.com

Twitter: @paulleake1


 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Porter, Paul" <Paul.Porter at rnib.org.uk
To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
Date sent: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 13:04:49 +0000
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live

Hi Jackie

Thanks for drawing my attention to this.  We need a disclaimer on 
the app of the month.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
Jackie Brown
Sent: 09 August 2016 12:54
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live

Hi Paul et al

I paste below, the blurb printed in this month's Access IT mag.


Amedia Live Reader is a new solution for instant O C R.  It scans 
a
live image captured by a camera and reads the texts in it in
real-time.

Languages supported are English, French, German, Indonesian, 
Italian,
Portuguese, Spanish, Chinese (Simplified), Chinese (Traditional),
Japanese and Korean.  Amedia Live Reader's O C R technology is
powered by A B B Y Y.

To use:

1.  Open the app with VoiceOver tuned on.  2.  Tap the "Active" 
button to
focus.  The app will start beeping.  3.  Direct the camera to 
text.  The
app detects and reads it in real-time.  4.  Hold the device flat 
(with
the camera facing down) to take a still picture.  This is useful 
when
you're reading paper sheets on a desk.  5.  Previously read texts 
can be
reached by left swiping.  6.  Copy the texts to the clipboard in 
the
settings screen.

Capturing tips:

  Do not put the camera too close to the subject.
  Try to face the camera front to the target.
  For best results, use at a distance of 20cm to 30cm (or 10 
inches)
from the target.
  For larger objects such as signboards, a distance of 2 to 3 
meters
(or 10 feet) or more would be recommended.

Platform: i O S

Download from iTunes (http://apple.co/2aaUmqI)

Price: œ22

User comments.

This app is based off the same O C R technology that powers
K N F B Reader, however it doesn't offer a field of view report.
After having only spent a few minutes with this app it is fair to 
say,
it is very accessible, all buttons are labelled, and you get 
bleeps as
a guide for lining up.  A big selling point for this app seems to 
be
some of the non-western languages it supports.  One nice feature 
with
this app is it can read text in real-time which K N F B Reader 
can't
do, and although we have apps that can read in real-time they
generally haven't been based off good technology.  Hopefully as 
this is
based off the same technology that powers K N F B Reader it will
give better results than other apps that can also read in 
real-time.



Kind Regards,

Jackie Brown
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
Porter, Paul
Sent: 09 August 2016 11:54
To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live

Hi Jackie

This is why comments such as Sean's are so important.

Users' experience will vary on all kinds of apps and tech.

We point out in the app of the month that because we write about 
the app, we
don't endorse it in any way.

We want to encourage discussion and have frank reviews but we 
can't do it
without contributions.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
Jackie Brown
Sent: 09 August 2016 11:46
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live

Hi Richard

I tend to agree.  By the very nature of RNIB suggesting an app of 
the
month,it implies accessibility is very good.  I do appreciate, 
however, that
this kind of app differs greatly from person to person, and that 
Sean using
it, for example, is not mine or your experience thus far, 
Richard.
Accessibility for someone with some useful sight is definitely 
not the same
as for a totally blind person.

I'll keep trying when I get some time.

Kind Regards,

Jackie Brown
Emails: thebrownsplace at btinternet.com
jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
Richard
Godfrey-McKay
Sent: 09 August 2016 11:38
To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live

Paul, surely by highlighting an app of the month, the implication 
is that
that is a recommendation.  If that isn't the case, or if problems 
may be
anticipated, I feel that it would be helpful to make this clear.

Richard
Richard Godfrey-McKay
Telephone: 01738-445 880
Mobile: 07791 452 593


-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
Porter, Paul
Sent: 09 August 2016 11:30
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live

As the team who choose app of the month, this is not correct.

We are all visually impaired.  Some users have had success with 
this app.

We aren't recommending apps but putting them out there for people 
to
investigate.

We want this to be a two-way process and encourage users to 
submit apps for
inclusion in app of the month.

This invariably doesn't happen.  If you have an app to share 
please email the
Technology For Life Team tfl at rnib.org.uk

Sean's comments are exactly what we're looking for.

Looking forward to more app reviews

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
Sean Randall
Sent: 09 August 2016 10:37
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live

Jackie,

The problem with the RNIB recommending apps is that oftentimes 
people with
more vision than others have a lot of say in the choosing.  It's 
not a very
well-described app either, it sounds as iff someone either 
sighted or with a
lot of vision tried it out first, or to be honest that they just 
read the
copy online and went with that.

Personally I wouldn't be without the app now.  I use it on 
packets, jars,
boxes, screens, signs and all sorts of things.  As I mentioned 
earlier in
the week I don't find it very helpful for documents directly, but 
it's great
for me when it comes to food expiration dates, setting the 
temperature on
the air conditioning units at work or choosing the HDMI output on
inaccessible TVs, all the niggly little jobs where the time taken 
to "take
picture" might be  a problem etc.  I do find it unfortunate that 
Apple's
refund policy isn't as wonderful as Googles, but  also think that 
we don't
need yet another thread descending into anarchy about the best 
mobile OS,
either...



Sean.

__
Sean Randall
IT and Accessibility Specialist
Email Contact at SeanRandall.me
Phone +44 (0) 1905 692280
Or visit My LinkedIn Profile for my blog posts, areas of interest 
and
qualifications at http://UK.LinkedIn.com/in/AccessibleSean


-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
Jackie Brown
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016.  10:25 AM
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live

Thanks Richard, will do this when I get my bill Email which 
hasn't come
through yet.  I wouldn't bother if it were only a pound or two, 
but I don't
think this app is worth the money, and I am surprised even 
further that RNIB
has it as app of the month!

Kind Regards,

Jackie Brown
Emails: thebrownsplace at btinternet.com
jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
jackie at thebrownsplace.info
Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Read my EyeWrite 
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www.thebrownsplace.info/?page_id=136
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
Richard
Godfrey-McKay
Sent: 09 August 2016 10:10
To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live

Jackie, If you look at the e-mail confirming the purchase, you 
should have a
link called "report a problem".

If you activate the link, you should be taken to a page with a 
combo box on
it which allows you to select the reason for the problem, and 
there's a box
where you can enter other comments.  Seems straightforward 
enough, but
haven't had my refund yet!

Richard
Richard Godfrey-McKay
Telephone: 01738-445 880
Mobile: 07791 452 593

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
Jackie Brown
Sent: 09 August 2016 09:58
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live

Hi Richard

How do you do that, please?  It is something I have never done 
given that
apps I have tried before that haven't worked are cheap enough as 
a rule.

Kind Regards,

Jackie Brown
Emails: thebrownsplace at btinternet.com
jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
jackie at thebrownsplace.info
Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Read my EyeWrite 
blog:
www.thebrownsplace.info/?page_id=136
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
Richard
Godfrey-McKay
Sent: 09 August 2016 09:42
To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live

Yes, I've asked for a refund.  Anyone know how long they take to 
process
requests?

Richard
Richard Godfrey-McKay
Telephone: 01738-445 880
Mobile: 07791 452 593

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
Jackie Brown
Sent: 09 August 2016 09:31
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: [BCAB] Amedia Live

I bought this app last night following the various comments on 
and off list
about it.  I have to say, however, that I couldn't put hand on 
heart and
recommend it.  I appreciate it takes a lot of practice, and am 
prepared to
take that into account.  But it does a lot of beeping - which 
frankly drives
me round the bend - and does pick up text, but doesn't always 
read it that
well.  It seems to like objects rather than documentation, I 
find, such as
the washing-machine, or a computer keyboard.  It is very early 
days, but I'm
not overly impressed if I am being honest.  I turned off the 
beeping, but
unless it was me, I couldn't get much out of it when I did that.  
I find I
can achieve much more with K-NFB Reader, but I will keep trying 
and see what
happens.  At the moment though, I find it a very irritating, 
time-consuming
process.

Kind Regards,

Jackie Brown
Emails: thebrownsplace at btinternet.com
jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
jackie at thebrownsplace.info
Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Read my EyeWrite 
blog:
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