[BCAB] Fine Lines

Mobeen Iqbal mobeeniqbal at gmail.com
Tue Aug 9 19:09:46 BST 2016


I also think its worth mentioning that perhaps we should encourage 
people to read the hole thread before posting their reply. That way, 
you're not wasting time typing a reply when you don't need to. On this 
and other lists, I've noticed that answers are posted multiple times to 
the same question because the user is going through each question in 
sequence. the problem with this approach is it can create a lot of inbox 
clutter even if conversations are threaded. If you're someone like me 
who likes following threads, its cumbersome to read every single message 
when its duplicated and making the same point as has been made in 
previous posts. If this happens, I generally do hit delete, but could 
have missed messages in the past directed me because I've decided to 
skim read a thread because of the traffic generated as a result. Just my 
opinion. By the way, the best way to cook pizza and raspberry pi's is 
Linux using tomato firmware, just thought I'd throw a spanner in to the 
mix *smirk* or should that be *smile*?

Mo.

On 09/08/2016 18:57, Alan Booth wrote:
> ... David as you have helped me many times in the past please can you
> recommend the best way to cook pizza - Windows 7 or Windows 10 or should it
> be with Android or an i-phone ... please note no "smile"!
>
> X
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of David
> Reynolds
> Sent: 09 August 2016 18:22
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Fine Lines
>
> Phil,
>
> It is a slippery slope. If we get distracted from answering the question,
> we're very likely to degenerate into a US style list where people write to
> say they don't know the answer, or end up discussing the best way to cook
> pizza.
>
> David.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Agent Orange
> via Bcab
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 4:54 PM
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Cc: Agent Orange
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Fine Lines
>
>
> I agree, in particular about the suitability of content contained in some
> responses posted to the list.
>
> There are too many instances where the response to an enquiry contains a
> side swipe, for instance, at folks who prefer one smartphone platform over
> another, or who prefer not to use a smartphone at all, whether through
> choice, ability, or cost.
>
> There are also too many instances where a response contains comment which is
> dressed up as pseudo advice but is really little more than crude
> self-promotion, whether of the author's preferred agenda, or of their
> commercial interests.
>
> Putting "smile" (or similar) after such comments does not mitigate this.
>
> For the avoidance of doubt, I am not referring here to folks who are clearly
> offering a service, where this is done in an explicit and non-partisan
> manner.
>
> Just my view, of course.
>
> Phil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of David
> Reynolds
> Sent: 09 August 2016 15:49
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Fine Lines
>
> Very nicely put...
>
> David.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Sean Randall
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 11:45 AM
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: [BCAB] Fine Lines
>
> Steve,
>
> I agree in this instance, the Android refund policy is hugely superior to
> the Apple one.  However I do feel that there's a growing concern that people
> can't simply answer a question without trying to sell something else. Jackie
> asked "how do I do that?" and got 2 responses which basically said "like
> this, but you could have a better experience changing your hole platform".
> Not to nitpick, Steve, but your own response didn't even answer the original
> question!
>
> Discussion and debate is important and I'm as guilty as everyone else of
> having my own agenda but I just think perhaps we could all benefit, before
> hitting reply, on thinking if our comments are going to help the person
> asking the question, further the discussion in a meaningful way, or indeed
> whether the subject needs changing.
>
> Sean.
>
> S.
>
> __
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016. 11:33 AM
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live
>
> Sean,
>
> That wasn't the intent, my point was just that if Google did it, and Apple
> normally have a great customer service policy, they should have a better
> method for refunds.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Sean Randall
> Sent: 09 August 2016 10:37
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live
>
> Jackie,
>
> The problem with the RNIB recommending apps is that oftentimes people with
> more vision than others have a lot of say in the choosing.  It's not a very
> well-described app either, it sounds as iff someone either sighted or with a
> lot of vision tried it out first, or to be honest that they just read the
> copy online and went with that.
>
> Personally I wouldn't be without the app now.  I use it on packets, jars,
> boxes, screens, signs and all sorts of things.  As I mentioned earlier in
> the week I don't find it very helpful for documents directly, but it's great
> for me when it comes to food expiration dates, setting the temperature on
> the air conditioning units at work or choosing the HDMI output on
> inaccessible TVs, all the niggly little jobs where the time taken to "take
> picture" might be  a problem etc.  I do find it unfortunate that Apple's
> refund policy isn't as wonderful as Googles, but  also think that we don't
> need yet another thread descending into anarchy about the best mobile OS,
> either...
>
>
>
> Sean.
>
> __
> Sean Randall
> IT and Accessibility Specialist
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> Phone +44 (0) 1905 692280
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016. 10:25 AM
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live
>
> Thanks Richard, will do this when I get my bill Email which hasn't come
> through yet.  I wouldn't bother if it were only a pound or two, but I don't
> think this app is worth the money, and I am surprised even further that RNIB
> has it as app of the month!
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Emails: thebrownsplace at btinternet.com
> jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
> jackie at thebrownsplace.info
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> Skype: thejackmate
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Richard
> Godfrey-McKay
> Sent: 09 August 2016 10:10
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live
>
> Jackie, If you look at the e-mail confirming the purchase, you should have a
> link called "report a problem".
>
> If you activate the link, you should be taken to a page with a combo box on
> it which allows you to select the reason for the problem, and there's a box
> where you can enter other comments.  Seems straightforward enough, but
> haven't had my refund yet!
>
> Richard
> Richard Godfrey-McKay
> Telephone: 01738-445 880
> Mobile: 07791 452 593
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown
> Sent: 09 August 2016 09:58
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live
>
> Hi Richard
>
> How do you do that, please?  It is something I have never done given that
> apps I have tried before that haven't worked are cheap enough as a rule.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Emails: thebrownsplace at btinternet.com
> jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
> jackie at thebrownsplace.info
> Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Read my EyeWrite blog:
> www.thebrownsplace.info/?page_id=136
> Follow me on Twitter: @thebrownsplace
> Skype: thejackmate
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Richard
> Godfrey-McKay
> Sent: 09 August 2016 09:42
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] Amedia Live
>
> Yes, I've asked for a refund.  Anyone know how long they take to process
> requests?
>
> Richard
> Richard Godfrey-McKay
> Telephone: 01738-445 880
> Mobile: 07791 452 593
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown
> Sent: 09 August 2016 09:31
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: [BCAB] Amedia Live
>
> I bought this app last night following the various comments on and off list
> about it.  I have to say, however, that I couldn't put hand on heart and
> recommend it.  I appreciate it takes a lot of practice, and am prepared to
> take that into account.  But it does a lot of beeping - which frankly drives
> me round the bend - and does pick up text, but doesn't always read it that
> well.  It seems to like objects rather than documentation, I find, such as
> the washing-machine, or a computer keyboard.  It is very early days, but I'm
> not overly impressed if I am being honest.  I turned off the beeping, but
> unless it was me, I couldn't get much out of it when I did that.  I find I
> can achieve much more with K-NFB Reader, but I will keep trying and see what
> happens.  At the moment though, I find it a very irritating, time-consuming
> process.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Emails: thebrownsplace at btinternet.com
> jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
> jackie at thebrownsplace.info
> Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Read my EyeWrite blog:
> www.thebrownsplace.info/?page_id=136
> Follow me on Twitter: @thebrownsplace
> Skype: thejackmate
>
>
>
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