[BCAB] FW: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.

Derek Naysmith derek.naysmith at googlemail.com
Mon Aug 15 08:45:33 BST 2016


While I am not a strong advocate of 0 rating for computers if it is a
decision of HMRC then so be it. While a couple of emails have mentioned
Apple products and NVDA, of course Windows comes with Narrator as part of
the operating system. Nothing against specialist suppliers but I would like
to be able to purchase the best buy PC I can get from the market and then
install my preferred access technology later.

Derek Naysmith

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of David W Wood
via Bcab
Sent: 14 August 2016 22:44
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Cc: David W Wood
Subject: Re: [BCAB] FW: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.

Colin

Rather than discounting, my suspicion is that value for money counts most of
all.  

ATB

David W Wood
-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Colin Phelan
Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 9:27 PM
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] FW: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.

Hi All,
On a basic level, if I can get something 20% cheaper then I like most of the
population will avail of it and will not expend a great deal of thought as
to the rights and wrongs of it.
How many people pay more than they have to for a product or a service?
Colin 

  

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Richard
Godfrey-McKay
Sent: 14 August 2016 18:17
To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] FW: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.

Iain, 

While I understand your point of view, the sad fact seems to be that a high
percentage of VI people live in poverty, and that appears to be related to
their inability to find decently paid work.  

If this is so, then I think it is right that they be given every support to
make their lives as comfortable as possible, and to minimise the effects of
a disability which many people, and particularly those who have not been VI
since an early age, find it very hard to cope with.  

My view is also influenced, to some extent, by the notion that electronic
products are much more of a necessity to that group, in that they often
allow VI people to do things which they could not do without those aids. 

Just my thoughts,
Richard
Richard Godfrey-McKay
Telephone: 01738-445 880
Mobile: 07791 452 593

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie
Sent: 14 August 2016 17:13
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] FW: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.

It seems to me that there is too much special pleading by visually impaired
people when it comes to questions of VAT zero rating. I would certainly
never think of asking for zero rating on an iPhone merely because it has
VoiceOver as part of the operating system. I would also take the same view
with TalkBack and Android systems. If I were to use NVDA as my screenreader
of choice, I would not expect the computer to be zero rated. I often think
that many of us, especially those like myself who are congenitally blind,
forget that sighted people also have to pay for the goods and services they
use.


Iain


On 14/08/2016 15:16, Clive Lever wrote:
>  From NFB UK. I hadn't heard about this, but I imagine this could 
> benefit
quite a few of us.
>
> Best,
> Clive
>    
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Herbert [mailto:tedherbert at mmt21.f9.co.uk]
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:19 AM
> To: Ted Herbert
> Subject: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.
>
> Hello London Branch email members,
> Please see the below VAT exemption information.
> Regards.
> Ted
> Email: tedherbert at mmt21.f9.co.uk
>
> Thousands of assistive systems will be free of VAT thanks to a ruling 
> by
HMRC. Mobile phones and computers will be zero-rated for VAT if they are
preloaded with software designed solely for the use of disabled people, says
HMRC. The decision follows lengthy discussions with HMRC and a VAT tribunal.
> At present only old-style desktop systems with processor, keyboard and
monitor are able to be zero-rated. Clarification is being sought to
determine if the ruling also applies to tablet computers.
> HMRC recommends suppliers obtain a declaration of eligibility from 
> each disabled person that they supply systems to.  The suggested 
> template for this can be found on the Government website at:
> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-reliefs-for-disabled-pe
> ople-eligibility-declaration-by-a-disabled-person
> The wording of the Form is as follows:- Note to customer You should 
> complete this declaration if you are ‘chronically sick or disabled’ 
> and
the goods or services are for your own personal or domestic use. A family
member or carer can complete this on your behalf if you wish.
> You can find out more from the Helpsheets on the GOV.UK website or by
telephoning the VAT Disabled Reliefs Helpline on Telephone: 0300 123 1073.
HMRC staff cannot advise whether or not an individual is chronically sick or
disabled.
> A person is ‘chronically sick or disabled’ if he or she is a person:
> § with a physical or mental impairment which has a long term and
substantial adverse effect upon his or her ability to carry out everyday
activities § with a condition which the medical profession treats as a
chronic sickness.
> It does not include an elderly person who is not disabled or 
> chronically
sick or any person who is only temporarily disabled or incapacitated, such
as with a broken limb.
> If you are unsure, you should seek guidance from your GP or other 
> medical
professional.
> Please give this completed form back to the supplier. They will keep 
> it
with their VAT records. Please do not send it to HMRC.
> 1.	(full name) 






> 2.	of (address) 



> 3.	declare that I have the following disability or chronic
sickness

















.















> 4.	I am receiving the goods and/or services detailed overleaf, which
are being supplied to me for domestic or my personal use and I claim relief
from VAT.
> Signed 



























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