[BCAB] FW: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.

Steve Nutt steve at comproom.co.uk
Mon Aug 15 09:48:54 BST 2016


Hi,

I believe they are.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Booth
Sent: 15 August 2016 09:43
To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] FW: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.

... just out of interest are wheelchairs 0 rated for VAT?  Likewise, are sports wheelchairs also 0 rated for VAT?



-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Michael Allan
Sent: 14 August 2016 20:24
To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
Subject: Re: [BCAB] FW: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.

It is very easy for those who are financially reasonably off to forget how much other people especially those disabled in any way, struggle financially, through no fault of their own. I am guilty of that myself at times.
Some help for them in the form of zero rate VAT on certain products, I think should be welcomed and encouraged. 
It may not be an ideal way of operating, but sadly our world is not in an ideal state.

Michael Allan


> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 8:02 PM
> From: "Richard Godfrey-McKay" <lists.godfrey-mckay at virginmedia.com>
> To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] FW: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.
>
> HI Steve, yes, DLA or PIP is supposed to compensate for the additional expenses of disability, and does, to  some extent.  
> 
> However, I have been surprised to realise from my experience, while working as a Chair of a blind Society in a pretty poor part of Scotland (not Perth), that some blind people do live in considerable poverty, and often lack the not only the cash to purchase hardware, but also lack the knowhow to take advantage of the considerable benefits which technology can bring.
> 
> I can't really say more than that!
> 
> Richard
> Richard Godfrey-McKay
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Nutt
> Sent: 14 August 2016 19:25
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] FW: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> Isn't DLA, PIP, ESA, or whatever you want designed to do that?
> 
> All the best
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Godfrey-McKay
> Sent: 14 August 2016 18:17
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> Subject: Re: [BCAB] FW: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.
> 
> Iain,
> 
> While I understand your point of view, the sad fact seems to be that a high percentage of VI people live in poverty, and that appears to be related to their inability to find decently paid work.  
> 
> If this is so, then I think it is right that they be given every support to make their lives as comfortable as possible, and to minimise the effects of a disability which many people, and particularly those who have not been VI since an early age, find it very hard to cope with.  
> 
> My view is also influenced, to some extent, by the notion that electronic products are much more of a necessity to that group, in that they often allow VI people to do things which they could not do without those aids. 
> 
> Just my thoughts,
> Richard
> Richard Godfrey-McKay
> Telephone: 01738-445 880
> Mobile: 07791 452 593
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Iain 
> Lackie
> Sent: 14 August 2016 17:13
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] FW: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.
> 
> It seems to me that there is too much special pleading by visually impaired people when it comes to questions of VAT zero rating. I would certainly never think of asking for zero rating on an iPhone merely because it has VoiceOver as part of the operating system. I would also take the same view with TalkBack and Android systems. If I were to use NVDA as my screenreader of choice, I would not expect the computer to be zero rated. I often think that many of us, especially those like myself who are congenitally blind, forget that sighted people also have to pay for the goods and services they use.
> 
> 
> Iain
> 
> 
> On 14/08/2016 15:16, Clive Lever wrote:
> >  From NFB UK. I hadn't heard about this, but I imagine this could benefit quite a few of us.
> >
> > Best,
> > Clive
> >    
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ted Herbert [mailto:tedherbert at mmt21.f9.co.uk]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 10:19 AM
> > To: Ted Herbert
> > Subject: Breakthrough on VAT for Visually Impaired users.
> >
> > Hello London Branch email members,
> > Please see the below VAT exemption information.
> > Regards.
> > Ted
> > Email: tedherbert at mmt21.f9.co.uk
> >
> > Thousands of assistive systems will be free of VAT thanks to a ruling by HMRC. Mobile phones and computers will be zero-rated for VAT if they are preloaded with software designed solely for the use of disabled people, says HMRC. The decision follows lengthy discussions with HMRC and a VAT tribunal.
> > At present only old-style desktop systems with processor, keyboard and monitor are able to be zero-rated. Clarification is being sought to determine if the ruling also applies to tablet computers.
> > HMRC recommends suppliers obtain a declaration of eligibility from 
> > each disabled person that they supply systems to.  The suggested 
> > template for this can be found on the Government website at:
> > https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-reliefs-for-disabled-
> > pe ople-eligibility-declaration-by-a-disabled-person
> > The wording of the Form is as follows:- Note to customer You should 
> > complete this declaration if you are ‘chronically sick or disabled’ and the goods or services are for your own personal or domestic use. A family member or carer can complete this on your behalf if you wish.
> > You can find out more from the Helpsheets on the GOV.UK website or by telephoning the VAT Disabled Reliefs Helpline on Telephone: 0300 123 1073. HMRC staff cannot advise whether or not an individual is chronically sick or disabled.
> > A person is ‘chronically sick or disabled’ if he or she is a person:
> > § with a physical or mental impairment which has a long term and substantial adverse effect upon his or her ability to carry out everyday activities § with a condition which the medical profession treats as a chronic sickness.
> > It does not include an elderly person who is not disabled or chronically sick or any person who is only temporarily disabled or incapacitated, such as with a broken limb.
> > If you are unsure, you should seek guidance from your GP or other medical professional.
> > Please give this completed form back to the supplier. They will keep it with their VAT records. Please do not send it to HMRC.
> > 1.	(full name) ………………
> > 2.	of (address) ………
> > 3.	declare that I have the following disability or chronic sickness……………………………………………….………………………………………
> > 4.	I am receiving the goods and/or services detailed overleaf, which are being supplied to me for domestic or my personal use and I claim relief from VAT.
> > Signed ………………………………………………………………………… Date…………………………………………..
> >
> >
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