[BCAB] Blank forms full of error messages

Sean Randall contact at seanrandall.me
Fri Jul 14 12:34:48 BST 2017


Iain,

I think we're stuck with part of it. An accessibly-designed form will perhaps tell you that it's invalid when you first visit a box
because  that box is empty. It's quite annoying  hearing "first name: invalid entry edit"  until you start typing, and "email
address: invalid entry edit" until you put something in with an at sign and a dot. But I can live with this because it's the same
sort of feedback a sighted person gets; that is a box is only valid when it's filled properly.

Clive is right inasmuch as the web designers put all these error texts onto the page but don't make them visible until, or if, they
are needed.  Well-designed web-design software and standards-compliant websites will hide these in such away that the screen reader
also ignores them until the right time.  Sadly, many tools and designers out there don't test for this sort of thing.  It's a
similar reason for why so many images innewspaper articles have misspelled descriptive text; the sighted producer rarely looks at
the text, and almost never in the course of general day-to-day use.

Sean. 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie
Sent: Friday 14 July 2017 12:22 PM 
To: BCAB Discussion List
Subject: Re: [BCAB] Blank forms full of error messages

I wouldn't claim any expertise in this area, but I think it has something to do with the way screenreading software interprets the
more interactive design of modern web pages. It may be something we will have to be stuck with.

Iain

On 14 Jul 2017, at 12:10 pm, Jim Williams <jwuspaceman at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Clive,

I'm 100% with you, this happened to me when I tried to use the Sight&Sound website to purchase one of their Sight Village
promotions.  If they can't get it right what hope is there that others will.

Jim Williams
----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Lever" <clive.lever1955 at gmail.com>
To: "'BCAB Discussion List'" <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 10:35 AM
Subject: [BCAB] Blank forms full of error messages


> Hello all,
> 
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> 
> Please can someone tell me what is happening, in the design of more and more
> online forms, meaning that you hear error messages before you've typed
> anything into the slots. For example, you might hear.
> 
> Username please enter your username invalid entry
> 
> Password a password is required please enter your password invalid password
> 
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> Or:
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> Please enter your telephone number error your telephone number must be
> digits only
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> .but you haven't keyed anything in yet.
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> I suspect that maybe all the error messages are present on screen but
> invisible, changing colour so that they become visible to the naked eye only
> when you make a mistake.but am I right? These fake error messages drive me
> round the bend when completing online forms, and they seem to be getting
> increasingly common.
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> Thanks,
> 
> Clive
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