[BCAB] elbraille

Edward Green ergreen1981 at gmail.com
Fri Jul 21 20:25:57 BST 2017


Thanks for the explanation Andrew,

FS don't make the docking station/the other EllBrailleish aspects, it's made by an outfit in Russia called the Elita Group though obviously FS do make JAWS and the Focus.

Cheers,

Ed
> On 21 Jul 2017, at 18:25, Andrew Hodgson <andrew at hodgsonfamily.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, the images for different Windows languages are different, so for example the UK English and US English images are different.  They have different localisation defaults, Cortana voices etc.
> 
> Depending on how they produce the master images this shouldn't be too much of an issue, I was interested to see how they handled options such as the out of box experience, which of course if they are doing custom installs the users will never see this.
> 
> I'm surprised about the Russian issue, I would have expected them to have a default US image what with FS being the main people who make this, but not Russian.
> 
> Andrew.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Edward Green
> Sent: 21 July 2017 16:50
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] elbraille
> 
> Hi (Andrew in particular),
> 
> When I was at Sight Village on Wednesday, one of the "teething problems" Sight and Sound mentioned with the ElBraille was that, if the units that were first released were reset, they would revert to Russian.  Not sure if that might have something to do with the lack of the recovery image too.
> 
> They did say that they were collaborating with FS on what I guess you might describe as English localisations.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ed 
> 
>> On 21 Jul 2017, at 16:36, Steve Nutt <steve at comproom.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, I see.  I apologise for the wrong assumption.
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jackie 
>> Brown
>> Sent: 21 July 2017 15:05
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] elbraille
>> 
>> Hi Steve
>> 
>> It does use standard Windows, but when I refer to the ElBraille 
>> portion of it, I mean that they have incorporated software to allow 
>> you to use six keys which are on the docking station above where the 
>> Focus Blue is situated.  It isn't necessary to use these keys, but 
>> they are useful.  The first key is the ElBraille menu.  If you press 
>> that key, you go into a menu containing many of the applications Elita 
>> Group considers you use most.  For example, there is Microsoft Office with a submenu containing Word, Excel and Outlook.
>> Then there is Notepad (which is the Windows Notepad,) a calculator, 
>> Email, ElBraille Settings with a submenu to control them, Skype, etc.  
>> If you long press that key, it takes you into the ElBraille recovery 
>> software menu which I've never used.  The second key gives you battery 
>> status with a short press, and WiFi status when pressed twice quickly.  
>> The next two keys are volume down and up, respectively, which control 
>> the JAWS voice volume.  The fifth key tells you the time when pressed 
>> once, and the date when pressed twice quickly.  And the last key takes 
>> you into ElNotes which is their own folder of notes you can quickly access if you have written any.
>> 
>> So you see, it is Windows 10, but Elita Group has put their own stamp 
>> on things with functionality of the docking station.  Now I don't use 
>> the keys much on it because I have icons on my desktop which I can jump to quickly.
>> But when there was the software version issue, it rendered the keys 
>> completely useless.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Brown
>> Email: Jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
>> Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Follow me on Twitter:
>> @thebrownsplace Skype name: thejackmate
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steve 
>> Nutt
>> Sent: 21 July 2017 14:52
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] elbraille
>> 
>> This gets more interesting.
>> 
>> So are you saying it doesn't use standard Windows for input?  The 
>> Elbraille software is separate?  I would have thought the input should 
>> be controlled by JAWS, not the ElBraille.  This makes it even less 
>> mainstream than I thought.
>> 
>> If they chuck out an update like that to a beginner, and it breaks 
>> input, it could really make for some interesting times.
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jackie 
>> Brown
>> Sent: 21 July 2017 14:45
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] elbraille
>> 
>> Hi Andrew
>> 
>> When I got my ElBraille, there was no SD card in the box contents as 
>> outlined in the user guide.  I queried this, and was told that once an 
>> image had been made on SD cards for users, they would be shipped out.
>> 
>> Soon after I set my unit up, there was a software update from Elita 
>> Group, not a Windows or JAWS update.  When I updated this, none of the 
>> E keys on the top of the docking station, which is the ElBraille part 
>> of the package, would work.  So I contacted S and S, and was given a 
>> link to revert to what I had.  This did the trick, but it meant I 
>> couldn't update the ElBraille software.  The reason this occurred was 
>> because Elita had sent out the units with a different version to what 
>> they were running in Russia, meaning the UK software wouldn't work.  
>> Well it's a bit more long-winded than that but that's the top and 
>> bottom of it.  So all the ElBraille software had to be removed from my 
>> machine and the new, correct version installed.  That done, it now 
>> works a treat, and all machines sold in the UK have been updated 
>> correctly.  Basically it was a rush job to get the units out without 
>> checking the software version was appropriate for the UK.  I am 
>> assuming therefore that this is why no SD card came with backup software, and why we will get them... eventually.
>> 
>> Ho hum!!
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Brown
>> Email: Jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
>> Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Follow me on Twitter:
>> @thebrownsplace Skype name: thejackmate
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew 
>> Hodgson
>> Sent: 21 July 2017 14:25
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] elbraille
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Your comments re the lack of the SD card with the original image are 
>> leaning me towards the fact that there is no official image yet so you 
>> are ending up with units with differing software as you discussed 
>> here.  I wonder if that is a lack of an image from FS or whether there 
>> are customisations required for the UK version?
>> 
>> Andrew.
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Bcab [bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] on behalf of Jackie Brown 
>> [jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: 21 July 2017 14:19
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] elbraille
>> 
>> Hi Andrew
>> 
>> Yes, and the version of TeamViewer that came with mine was not the 
>> version Elita Group recommends, so I took it off and installed version 
>> 12.  This is really only useful though if someone needs to go in 
>> remotely, and I think it is preferred over JAWS Tandem because the latter can be slower, apparently.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Jackie Brown
>> Email: Jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
>> Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Follow me on Twitter:
>> @thebrownsplace Skype name: thejackmate
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Andrew 
>> Hodgson
>> Sent: 21 July 2017 13:49
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] elbraille
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> TeamViewer is for remote connectivity from someone with eyes to the 
>> ElBraille.  Interesting they went that route and not Jaws Tandem.  It 
>> is possible to use TeamViewer without sight but it is difficult and 
>> there are limitations.
>> 
>> Andrew.
>> 
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Bcab [bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] on behalf of dennis huckle 
>> [muir1918 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: 21 July 2017 13:38
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] elbraille
>> 
>> Hope it arrives soon,
>> If I can help further I, and I'm sure others who own one will do so also.
>> Elbraille also comes with an app called team viewer. I don't know how 
>> to set it up but there might be a possibility of direct assistance via that app.
>> Kind regards,
>> Dennis huckle.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
>> Elspeth Pearce via Bcab
>> Sent: 21 July 2017 12:18
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Cc: Elspeth Pearce <elspeth_pearce at blueyonder.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] elbraille
>> 
>> Many thanks for this Dennis. I am waiting for mine to arrive.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Elspeth pearceSent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 21 Jul 2017, at 10:09, Georgina Joyce <gena at gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Dennis,
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for this update. I much appreciate the time you have 
>>> taken to
>> write. I wondered how many voices does jaws come with now-a-days? Do 
>> you have large hands? Is the 14 a little cramped for you? Naturally 
>> with your fingers on the keys, how close to your sides are your 
>> elbows? I think if you have to bend / angle your wrists it affects 
>> your braille efficiency. Would you be comfortable using it on a train 
>> or bus's narrow seat? I don't know why I am asking you as I have 
>> already purchased one. I guess I would like to know of your initial experience.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gena
>>> 
>>>> On 21 Jul 2017, at 08:54, dennis huckle <muir1918 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Just to let you know a few little points regarding elbraille,
>>>> 
>>>> I received mine yesterday, jaws already loaded and running, not my 
>>>> chosen voice however but that's easily changed.
>>>> 
>>>> I got to work on it straight away, put outlook on there although had 
>>>> to renew my outlook subscription as I ran out of installs.
>>>> 
>>>> Today put several radio stations on to desktop and created shortcuts 
>>>> to them.
>>>> 
>>>> This is where I found using a qwerty keyboard was slightly better.
>>>> 
>>>> Although the focus 14 is a really nice display I prefer the more 
>>>> perkins-like keyboard of the focus 40.
>>>> 
>>>> Other than that everything went well although its slightly slower 
>>>> than I have been used to on a pc which is core 7 processor.
>>>> 
>>>> But generally very happy.
>>>> 
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Dennis huckle.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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