[BCAB] accessible telly

Jackie Brown jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 24 17:21:18 BST 2017


Hi Paul

No, to be clear, I am certainly not saying TVonics folded because of RNIB's
involvement, but rather that the company folded not long after RNIB
collaborated.  That though always has been a concern to many of us who hoped
it would be around for much longer.

We all want better access, and it is coming... slowly! (smile.)


Kind regards,

Jackie Brown
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Paul Porter
Sent: 24 July 2017 17:10
To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible telly

Hi Jackie

It should be noted that Tvonics ceased to exist shortly after RNIB began
selling the product.

We had a great product which couldn't be developed. You seem to be
suggesting that RNIB caused the demise of Tvonics and this isn't the case.

I am as frustrated as everyone else regarding accessibility or otherwise of
tvs.

I can assure you that RNIB has been working to promote and improve
accessibility with companies over the years.

I can't go into details due to non disclosure agreements but we do care and
strive to make products accessible.

Unless there is legislation, it's difficult to force manufacturers to make
their products accessible.

I think built-in access is getting better and we've almost come to expect
it, and why shouldn't we.

I recently purchased the latest Amazon Fire 8 and was able to set it up
without assistance.

Some companies just don't want to know. They probably think it costs too
much to make something accessible.

Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown
Sent: 24 July 2017 16:50
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible telly

Yes, and if it comes to that, look what happened when RNIB got involved with
TVonics! This was a fantastic product for the short time it was available,
and most of us probably bought one.  But it didn't last long, and while Mo
can service existing boxes, it still remains the only recordable Freeview
box out there with accessibility at an affordable price.  The Portset Media
Centre is completely accessible, but it is very expensive.  All we are
asking for is for television sets to include TTS you can turn on and off
that let you access menus, EPG information and recording features without
struggling with apps.

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Jackie Brown
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Iain Lackie
Sent: 24 July 2017 13:52
To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible telly

In other words, don't hold your breath. And we're still waiting for ITV to
give us audio description on their iOS app. There's going to be a lot of
chipping away to come. 

Iain

On 24 Jul 2017, at 1:30 pm, John Paton <John.Paton at rnib.org.uk> wrote:

Hi Sean,

Freeview and Freeview Play are both accessed via standard TVs such as the
Samsung and Panasonic TVs. We work with manufacturers to help them make TVs
accessible. We work with the DTG (Digital Television Group) to create advice
on accessibility. We put pressure on Ofcom to put pressure on the industry.
We suggested to Ofcom that service providers such as Freeview could place
accessibility as a prerequisite for being allowed to access the EPG
services. 

Almost all of the industry responses to Ofcom's consultation on accessible
EPGs were marked as confidential but those that we could see were vehemently
against Ofcom's proposal for mandated accessibility (and the proposal was
only for receivers that had recording capability). The Equality Act doesn't
apply to TVs so we cannot force manufacturers to make them accessible. Ofcom
does however have some leverage with their EPG code and we'll continue to
work with them in their next consultation to try to bring that leverage to
bear on the industry. 

This is not be an easy problem to solve but we'll continue to work on it
because we know it is important. It was by chipping away at the problem that
we convinced Panasonic and TVonics to create talking TV equipment and it
will likely be by chipping away that we get the next talking TVs on the
market. 

Best regards,

John

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Sean Randall
Sent: 24 July 2017 12:40
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible telly

I'd like to know why the RNIB aren't pushing for better Freeview and
Freeview play access, though? Why go for Sky and VM, both of whom are the
higher end of the spectrum in terms of cost? I'm not saying miss them out,
but where's the focus on the lowest common denominator? Why should those of
us who just want to record normal, free-to-air TV be forced into using
expensive large-screen TVs or defunct boxes. It's 2017 now, why aren't we
seeing built-in TTS in all the new Freeview and Freesat receivers as we do
high contrast?

S.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tom Reid
Sent: Monday 24 July 2017 12:33 PM
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible telly

Hi folks, thanks for views. John, thanks for your more detailed comments on
accessibility. It's clearly a general problem, Tom

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