[BCAB] accessible tele

Georgina Joyce gena at gena-j.me.uk
Tue Jul 25 11:06:37 BST 2017


Hello John,

Thanks for this. Surely the problem you explain will depend upon how the channels app on the Apple TV delivers it’s input? To expect a mainstream free media player was probably a bit too much. Although Microsoft have now really made leaps and bounds.

Regards,

Gena

> On 25 Jul 2017, at 09:33, John Paton <John.Paton at rnib.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Gena,
> 
> One thing to mention here is that the UK uses receiver-mix audio description whereas most of the world uses broadcast-mix audio description. The practical upshot of this is that if our method of transmitting AD has not been designed for you will only hear the AD track not the main audio track. This scuppered a plan to use Windows Media Player with a cheap off the shelf USB tuner stick and screenreader to make a cheap talking TV.
> 
> If you rely on AD then you'll want to check it can play UK AD before buying.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> John
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
> Sent: 24 July 2017 22:21
> To: BCAB Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible tele
> 
> Hello Steve,
> 
> As I said in an earlier post. I heard a demo from one of the blind related podcasts that I listen to on a regular basis. My iPad has deleted those to which I have listened. I have looked on the sites I thought it would be. But I can’t find it.
> 
> From memory, he needed support to put a serial number of the HomeRunHD into the app initially. But you know that Apple TV is accessible and the channels app was accessible. I’m sure he played audio description. He had to upgrade his wireless router. As HD video requires a lot of wireless capacity. My memory isn’t as good as it used to be. As it is going to be a little while before I can afford to try this myself. I cannot speak from experience.
> 
> I do suspect this is going to be a game changer for us. That’s why I’ve kept the details.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gena
> 
> 
> 
>> On 24 Jul 2017, at 21:01, Steve Nutt <steve at comproom.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Interesting.  Do you know if this bit of kit is accessible though?
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Georgina Joyce
>> Sent: 24 July 2017 17:56
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible tele
>> 
>> Hello Steve,
>> 
>> I think you can.
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/SiliconDust-HDHomeRun-Compatible-HDHR4-2DT-UK/dp/B00Y2JYZOC/ref=pd_ybh_a_7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=ACRC462DRKPPTD39PDPK <https://www.amazon.co.uk/SiliconDust-HDHomeRun-Compatible-HDHR4-2DT-UK/dp/B00Y2JYZOC/ref=pd_ybh_a_7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=ACRC462DRKPPTD39PDPK>
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gena
>> 
>>> On 24 Jul 2017, at 17:01, Steve Nutt <Steve at comproom.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ben,
>>> 
>>> But you can't play live TV on Apple TV, can you?
>>> 
>>> All the best
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ben 
>>> Mustill-Rose
>>> Sent: 24 July 2017 16:09
>>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible tele
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Pretty good really. Most of the apps use Apple's UI elements so things tend to just work. Ironicly one of the poorer examples (read unusable) is Apple's WWDC app where nothing is labeled. The surface area of the remote takes a bit of getting used to; all the gestures are the default VO ones but obviously you'll mainly be performing them on a phone / tablet where you have much more space to move about. I'd take it over a Samsung any day, although obviously everything in this thread is personal opinion.
>>> If we could sort the AD issue out I'm convinced it would be a viable solution for pretty much anyone. How many other TV's let you use a braille display for example.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ben.
>>> 
>>> On 7/24/17, John Paton <John.Paton at rnib.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> OK, thanks for the update.
>>>> 
>>>> Apart from that how do you rate the accessibility?
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ben 
>>>> Mustill-Rose
>>>> Sent: 24 July 2017 15:12
>>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible tele
>>>> 
>>>> Not that I'm aware of unfortunately; AD for streamed live TV appears 
>>>> to be nonexistent.
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/24/17, John Paton <John.Paton at rnib.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Ben,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think TVPlayer should have a good spread of the channels. I was 
>>>>> looking at it on a PC browser at the end of last week but couldn't 
>>>>> get the AD to play.
>>>>> Does it have AD on the Apple TV?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I presume TVPlayer has resolved all of the licensing issues that 
>>>>> TVCatchup had?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ben 
>>>>> Mustill-Rose
>>>>> Sent: 24 July 2017 13:53
>>>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible tele
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I use the TVPlayer app and it seems to give me a fairly wide 
>>>>> selection of channels although I believe you are able to access more 
>>>>> for a £4.99 P/M subscription.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Ben.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/24/17, John Paton <John.Paton at rnib.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Ben,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When you say that you can watch all the Freeview channels do you 
>>>>>> mean all the PSB channels (BBC, ITV Channel 4 and Five) or the full 
>>>>>> range of Freeview channels such as Dave etc? Is that through a 
>>>>>> single app such as TVPlayer or do you need to install a list of 
>>>>>> apps to cover all the channels?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'll hook up our Apple TV later and have a play.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Ben 
>>>>>> Mustill-Rose
>>>>>> Sent: 23 July 2017 15:42
>>>>>> To: BCAB Discussion List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible tele
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm yet to convince anyone they should do this, but ditching normal 
>>>>>> TV and just watching everything online through the Apple TV sounds 
>>>>>> like it would be a viable option. There aren't as many apps for it 
>>>>>> as something like the Fire, but it's possible to watch all the 
>>>>>> Freeview channels plus some others, catchup using iPlayer with 
>>>>>> audio description, Youtube, Netflix, Now TV and some radio. There 
>>>>>> are also a wide selection of games available, none of which are 
>>>>>> accessible but when I've had sighted people over they've enjoyed playing them.
>>>>>> For services that don't have apps you can Airplay from an iDevice 
>>>>>> which is a bit annoying but isn't that bad really.
>>>>>> Because it runs VoiceOver you'll already know all the gestures, 
>>>>>> plus you can do things like pair a Bluetooth keyboard and braille 
>>>>>> display if you'd rather control the device like that. The remote 
>>>>>> doesn't use infrared which means that its range is very impressive: 
>>>>>> I can be anyware in my flat, take the remote out of my pocket, ask 
>>>>>> Siri to play something on Apple music and it just works. If you 
>>>>>> hook some good speakers up to it it can essentially be your music player as well.
>>>>>> The only downside is that audio description on streamed TV isn't 
>>>>>> really a thing yet, so if you want to watch something with AD 
>>>>>> you'll be doing it via catchup.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> £130 for the 32GB model which is all you'll need really; less if 
>>>>>> you shop around a bit but make sure you're getting the 4th gen and 
>>>>>> not one of the older ones.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Ben.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/22/17, tom.reid21 <tom.reid21 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Ben, I want as much control over cntent as I can get, eg 
>>>>>>> searching for catchup programmes and using Iplayer...etc.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If there is nothing that can give that, then, I'll work my way down.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>> Ben Mustill-Rose
>>>>>>> Sent: 21 July 2017 21:30
>>>>>>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible tele
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What sort of content do you want to watch?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Ben.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 7/21/17, tom.reid21 <tom.reid21 at virginmedia.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Jackie, sounds great. I've got a virgin box connected to our tele.
>>>>>>>> Would your tele work with that?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Tom
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>>>> Jackie Brown
>>>>>>>> Sent: 21 July 2017 17:14
>>>>>>>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] accessible tele
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Tom
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We have the Samsung UE40KU6400 which has full TTS.  It reads out 
>>>>>>>> all channel numbers and programme information, the remote control 
>>>>>>>> is nicely laid out, and I especially like the source button that 
>>>>>>>> lets you skip through any HDMI devices that are plugged in.  For 
>>>>>>>> example, we have our TVonics and Sky+ HD box on HDMI, and it is 
>>>>>>>> really easy to move between these and the TV tuner itself.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regarding the TV tuner, you can choose between Freeview, 
>>>>>>>> Satellite or FreeSat, and all channels, EPG and numbers are 
>>>>>>>> spoken, as are all the menus.
>>>>>>>> When ours was set up, the guy tuned it to Freeview, but I retuned 
>>>>>>>> it myself to FreeSat because I think the signal is better.  I 
>>>>>>>> also have the TV standing on a Sonos PlayBase, and the sound is brill.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The one we have is a 40-inch, but it was the smallest there is 
>>>>>>>> with TTS, so while it is a bit of an overkill, our visitors love 
>>>>>>>> it when they come round.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jackie Brown
>>>>>>>> Email: Jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com Check out my website: 
>>>>>>>> www.thebrownsplace.info Follow me on Twitter:
>>>>>>>> @thebrownsplace Skype name: thejackmate
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> tom.reid21
>>>>>>>> Sent: 21 July 2017 16:56
>>>>>>>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [BCAB] accessible tele
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I'd like suggestions for a tele that speaks what's on the screen 
>>>>>>>> so that we can search for programmes and have full control of its 
>>>>>>>> remote
>>>>>>> control.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks, Tom
>>>>>>>> 
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