[BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

dennis huckle muir1918 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 25 14:36:42 BST 2017


Its probably still there in some form but if We on list can help further I'm sure we will be only too pleased to do so.
Kind regards,
Dennis huckle.


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From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Terry Clasper
Sent: 25 July 2017 14:03
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Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

And Denis what ever happened to good old tech support from the supplier?


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From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of dennis huckle
Sent: 25 July 2017 14:01
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Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

What you get in the box is a braille document listing most jaws commands. However if any more help is needed You will get it on this list.
They take a little getting used to, especially the modifier key commands, but once you get the idea its not too bad.
Kind regards,
Dennis huckle.


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Sent: 25 July 2017 13:51
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Cc: Michael Cassidy <mike.cassidy at ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Hi Dennis,

I like the thought of a small compact device, and I think the price of the 40-cell unit rules it out; I think I’ll be able to adapt to the 14-cell display without difficulty. Just the matter of getting used to the Jaws command set.

Thanks for your thoughts; always helpful.

Regards,

Mike
> On 25 Jul 2017, at 11:42, dennis huckle <muir1918 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mike, I agree about the 40 cell version of el braille, I feel sure that it will, of course be more expensive but by the nature of the larger braille display will be larger in itself.
> Using the device as I now do I find it easy and don't find the 14 cell display a problem having used an 80 cell on my pc at home.
> Also, don't forget you can configer your 14 display to work with a smart 'phone that is another plus as far as I am concerned. You don't have to remove the display to achieve this.
> Also remember you can purchase this over a 12 month period.
> Good luck,  I hope you will find something to suit your needs, Kind 
> regards, Dennis huckle.
> 
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> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
> Michael Cassidy via Bcab
> Sent: 25 July 2017 11:18
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> Cc: Michael Cassidy <mike.cassidy at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
> 
> Hi Sean,
> 
> I’ve been reviewing these emails as I’m thinking of purchasing one of these. I see from Jonathan’s podcast that a 40-cell version is in the offing, but I haven’t seen the price tag! My blind-friendly notetakers are getting old and rather worn, and the cost of repair as against a new purchase have to be considered. I’ll have to be quick to decide as the offer closes on Friday.
> 
> Mike
>> On 3 Jul 2017, at 12:40, Sean Randall <contact at seanrandall.me> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Folks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As I'm sure you all know by now, Jackie did a fantastic presentation 
>> on the ElBraille for BCAB members a few weeks ago. I'm showing a unit off to staff and students at work this week, so just wanted to throw my thoughts into the ring as well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My first impression, on just holding the thing in my hands, was how 
>> small it is.  Obviously, it's a bit bigger than the actual Focus
>> 14 display which is one of the components, but it's not an unwieldy 
>> machine. In fact, with it in its carrying case and the shoulder strap 
>> attached I'm perfectly happy wandering around our campus.  Ordinarily I'd have a laptop either under my arm or in a bag all its own, so that's a refreshing change.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I don't think I can quite express the joy of having a full Windows 
>> desktop in something so small. It weighs under 800 grams and is under
>> 8 inches wide and yet I can run Office(Outlook, Word and Excel),, 
>> Dropbox and the web all at the same time. It does slow up a little on the task changes, especially when I've got gigantic web pages of tables open and workbooks full of graphs and charts. My inbox, a web page and a notepad though? It's a dream.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I think the biggest problem people are going to have if they buy this 
>> thing is the fact that other notetakers have done us a disservice.
>> The ElBraille's biggest selling point is surely that it's a proper 
>> Windows
>> 10 based system, and yet we've been using customised, blind-friendly 
>> Braille notetakers for so long that we will quite possibly struggle 
>> to adapt to navigating a full Windows interface with the efficiency 
>> we would like when there's no qwerty keyboard in the mix. Those few 
>> of us who use a Braille display for input as well as output will have 
>> no problems at all adapting to this system, but the vast majority of people I work with are full keyboard users and that presents a steep learning curve.  It's not just learning about navigation either, computer Braille, UEB and all this sort of thing comes into play. I have still not managed to press alt+f4 without pausing for a little while to think about what I'm going to press. I am sure, with use, I would do so - and become as proficient as possible, but I can really see how hard it would be for a qwerty user to move to this system at least initially.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> That said, I think it's an excellent idea. My wish list for 
>> improvements or other options would include More RAM, a bigger 
>> display, perhaps an extra USB port. A smaller charger (to fit in the case), a bigger hard drive and perhaps a redesign of ElNotes (although decent notetaking is a Windows issue, not an ElBraille one).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The other slight annoyance for me is the lack of a lock; if I want to 
>> just hop between rooms I'd like a single keypress to lock the 
>> keyboard rather than a complex chord to learn. I can't seem to put the system to sleep either, you either leave it on, sign out, or shut down.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I've so far used ElBraille to do some audio recording (with a decent 
>> USB microphone), but it works well for VOIP with my wired Apple 
>> earbuds, aside from general paperwork and reading. The portability 
>> and battery life are superb. Today I've watched Netflix in a taxi using my phone as a hotspot, minuted a meeting without using any speech, played an online game of cards and read the newspaper. Just today, and the battery is still over 80%. That's not counting the general emailing and web browsing between activities.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So there you have it. An extraordinary amount to learn, but more in 
>> the JAWS and total Braille display space than from ElBraille itself. A very nice device to use, I think.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> S. 
>> 
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>> 
>> Sean Randall
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
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