[BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Jackie Brown jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 26 14:36:37 BST 2017


Hi Tony

So true.  You will know of course that I was never replaced when I left S and S.  Yes they paid lip service by sending people they could call upon to undertake Braille support, but that isn't the same.  I strongly suggested to Glenn that if he was to take the Braille portfolio seriously, he would need to employ a good Braillist, but I think he felt the saving on my salary was more important.  Well so be it!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tony Fox
Sent: 26 July 2017 14:29
To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Hi Sean

Point well made about support being so important for the schools market.  I believe Humanware are  excellent for support  which is why they dominate the education market.
 My own view is that if suppliers want to be serious about Braille products
they need to employ blind people in their company.   It's sad to see some
companies paying lip service to this and the sales people cannot even  read Braille visually trying to demonstrate braille products

Best Regards


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On 26 July 2017 at 14:16, Sean Randall <contact at seanrandall.me> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I think S&S will be one of the big let downs for education.  The 
> ElBraille could be a great school product, Matthew's quibbles aside 
> which are valid but narrow in terms of mainstream education.
> No matter how good the product though, bad support, inept sales people 
> and an unwillingness to engage with the users will scupper its chances 
> in schools I think.
>
> I also disagree strongly with Matthew's technician theory.  Give a 
> technician an elBraille with an HDMI adapter and they can put it onto 
> their network  howsoever they like. Again, it's the selling of it.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steve 
> Nutt
> Sent: Wednesday 26 July 2017 02:10 PM
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
>
> Actually, this is incorrect.  The first true Windows device was the 
> Esytime from Eurobraille.  It was under-specified, otherwise if it had 
> been on Windows 10, I believe it would be better than ElBraille, since 
> it had some music programs for importing Midi and producing Braille 
> music.  So for education, it would have been excellent.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of dennis 
> huckle
> Sent: 25 July 2017 14:41
> To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
>
> Hello tony,
> El braille, as far as I am aware is the first tru windows all-in-one 
> device allowing control via a braille display,.
> The older devices, although accessable in many ways were not a true 
> windows experience.
> Even braille sense is not truly a windows device although, I 
> understand, many like it.
> El braille is surely the way to go in allowing us braille users to get 
> the best out of windows.
> Also, of course you can control a smart 'phone with the braille display.
> Kind regards,
> Dwennis huckle.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tony 
> Fox
> Sent: 25 July 2017 14:23
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
>
> Hi Everyone
>
> The Elbraille product looks to be a winner. I am interested in the 
> view of braillists on here if there is still a place for dedicated 
> adapted products such as BrailleNote Touch and Braillesense. I know 
> the frustration  when you  buy a dedicated device and find the 
> hardware quickly becomes outdated
>
> It would seem the Elbraille is a good investment as you won't get left 
> behind when windows upgrades become available and the braille display 
> is detachable and  not built into the hardware of the product
>
> Tony
>
>
> Best Regards
>
>
> Tony Fox
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> On 25 July 2017 at 14:03, Terry Clasper <terry.clasper at btinternet.com>
> wrote:
>
> > And Denis what ever happened to good old tech support from the supplier?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
> > dennis huckle
> > Sent: 25 July 2017 14:01
> > To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
> >
> > What you get in the box is a braille document listing most jaws commands.
> > However if any more help is needed You will get it on this list.
> > They take a little getting used to, especially the modifier key 
> > commands, but once you get the idea its not too bad.
> > Kind regards,
> > Dennis huckle.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
> > Michael Cassidy via Bcab
> > Sent: 25 July 2017 13:51
> > To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> > Cc: Michael Cassidy <mike.cassidy at ntlworld.com>
> > Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
> >
> > Hi Dennis,
> >
> > I like the thought of a small compact device, and I think the price 
> > of the 40-cell unit rules it out; I think I’ll be able to adapt to 
> > the 14-cell display without difficulty. Just the matter of getting 
> > used to the Jaws command set.
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts; always helpful.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> > > On 25 Jul 2017, at 11:42, dennis huckle <muir1918 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike, I agree about the 40 cell version of el braille, I feel sure 
> > > that
> > it will, of course be more expensive but by the nature of the larger 
> > braille display will be larger in itself.
> > > Using the device as I now do I find it easy and don't find the 14 
> > > cell
> > display a problem having used an 80 cell on my pc at home.
> > > Also, don't forget you can configer your 14 display to work with a 
> > > smart
> > 'phone that is another plus as far as I am concerned. You don't have 
> > to remove the display to achieve this.
> > > Also remember you can purchase this over a 12 month period.
> > > Good luck,  I hope you will find something to suit your needs, 
> > > Kind regards, Dennis huckle.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of 
> > > Michael Cassidy via Bcab
> > > Sent: 25 July 2017 11:18
> > > To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> > > Cc: Michael Cassidy <mike.cassidy at ntlworld.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
> > >
> > > Hi Sean,
> > >
> > > I’ve been reviewing these emails as I’m thinking of purchasing one 
> > > of
> > these. I see from Jonathan’s podcast that a 40-cell version is in 
> > the offing, but I haven’t seen the price tag! My blind-friendly 
> > notetakers are getting old and rather worn, and the cost of repair 
> > as against a new purchase have to be considered. I’ll have to be 
> > quick to decide as the offer closes on Friday.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >> On 3 Jul 2017, at 12:40, Sean Randall <contact at seanrandall.me> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Folks
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> As I'm sure you all know by now, Jackie did a fantastic 
> > >> presentation on the ElBraille for BCAB members a few weeks ago. 
> > >> I'm showing a unit
> > off to staff and students at work this week, so just wanted to throw 
> > my thoughts into the ring as well.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> My first impression, on just holding the thing in my hands, was 
> > >> how small it is.  Obviously, it's a bit bigger than the actual 
> > >> Focus
> > >> 14 display which is one of the components, but it's not an 
> > >> unwieldy machine. In fact, with it in its carrying case and the 
> > >> shoulder strap attached I'm perfectly happy wandering around our campus.
> > >> Ordinarily
> > I'd have a laptop either under my arm or in a bag all its own, so 
> > that's a refreshing change.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I don't think I can quite express the joy of having a full 
> > >> Windows desktop in something so small. It weighs under 800 grams 
> > >> and is under
> > >> 8 inches wide and yet I can run Office(Outlook, Word and Excel),, 
> > >> Dropbox and the web all at the same time. It does slow up a 
> > >> little on
> > the task changes, especially when I've got gigantic web pages of 
> > tables open and workbooks full of graphs and charts. My inbox, a web 
> > page and a notepad though? It's a dream.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I think the biggest problem people are going to have if they buy 
> > >> this thing is the fact that other notetakers have done us a
> disservice.
> > >> The ElBraille's biggest selling point is surely that it's a 
> > >> proper Windows
> > >> 10 based system, and yet we've been using customised, 
> > >> blind-friendly Braille notetakers for so long that we will quite 
> > >> possibly struggle to adapt to navigating a full Windows interface 
> > >> with the efficiency we would like when there's no qwerty keyboard 
> > >> in the mix. Those few of us who use a Braille display for input 
> > >> as well as output will have no problems at all adapting to this 
> > >> system, but the vast majority of
> > people I work with are full keyboard users and that presents a steep 
> > learning curve.  It's not just learning about navigation either, 
> > computer Braille, UEB and all this sort of thing comes into play. I 
> > have still not managed to press alt+f4 without pausing for a little 
> > while to think about what I'm going to press. I am sure, with use, I 
> > would do so - and become as proficient as possible, but I can really 
> > see how hard it would be for a qwerty user to move to this system at
> least initially.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> That said, I think it's an excellent idea. My wish list for 
> > >> improvements or other options would include More RAM, a bigger 
> > >> display, perhaps an extra USB port. A smaller charger (to fit in 
> > >> the
> > case), a bigger hard drive and perhaps a redesign of ElNotes 
> > (although decent notetaking is a Windows issue, not an ElBraille one).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The other slight annoyance for me is the lack of a lock; if I 
> > >> want to just hop between rooms I'd like a single keypress to lock 
> > >> the keyboard rather than a complex chord to learn. I can't seem 
> > >> to put the
> > system to sleep either, you either leave it on, sign out, or shut down.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I've so far used ElBraille to do some audio recording (with a 
> > >> decent USB microphone), but it works well for VOIP with my wired 
> > >> Apple earbuds, aside from general paperwork and reading. The 
> > >> portability and battery life are superb. Today I've watched 
> > >> Netflix in a taxi using
> > my phone as a hotspot, minuted a meeting without using any speech, 
> > played an online game of cards and read the newspaper. Just today, 
> > and the battery is still over 80%. That's not counting the general 
> > emailing and web browsing between activities.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> So there you have it. An extraordinary amount to learn, but more 
> > >> in the JAWS and total Braille display space than from ElBraille 
> > >> itself. A
> > very nice device to use, I think.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> S.
> > >>
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> > >>
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