[BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Paul Leake paul.leake at ntlworld.com
Wed Jul 26 14:38:16 BST 2017


Spot on tony why don't S and S get it?

Kind regards,

Paul

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> On 26 Jul 2017, at 14:28, Tony Fox <tonyfox1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sean
> 
> Point well made about support being so important for the schools market.  I
> believe Humanware are  excellent for support  which is why they dominate
> the education market.
> My own view is that if suppliers want to be serious about Braille products
> they need to employ blind people in their company.   It's sad to see some
> companies paying lip service to this and the sales people cannot even  read
> Braille visually trying to demonstrate braille products
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> 
> Tony Fox
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>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:16, Sean Randall <contact at seanrandall.me> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I think S&S will be one of the big let downs for education.  The ElBraille
>> could be a great school product, Matthew's quibbles aside which are valid
>> but narrow in terms of mainstream education.
>> No matter how good the product though, bad support, inept sales people and
>> an unwillingness to engage with the users will scupper its chances in
>> schools I think.
>> 
>> I also disagree strongly with Matthew's technician theory.  Give a
>> technician an elBraille with an HDMI adapter and they can put it onto their
>> network  howsoever they like. Again, it's the selling of it.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
>> Sent: Wednesday 26 July 2017 02:10 PM
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
>> 
>> Actually, this is incorrect.  The first true Windows device was the
>> Esytime from Eurobraille.  It was under-specified, otherwise if it had been
>> on Windows 10, I believe it would be better than ElBraille, since it had
>> some music programs for importing Midi and producing Braille music.  So for
>> education, it would have been excellent.
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of dennis
>> huckle
>> Sent: 25 July 2017 14:41
>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
>> 
>> Hello tony,
>> El braille, as far as I am aware is the first tru windows all-in-one
>> device allowing control via a braille display,.
>> The older devices, although accessable in many ways were not a true
>> windows experience.
>> Even braille sense is not truly a windows device although, I understand,
>> many like it.
>> El braille is surely the way to go in allowing us braille users to get the
>> best out of windows.
>> Also, of course you can control a smart 'phone with the braille display.
>> Kind regards,
>> Dwennis huckle.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tony Fox
>> Sent: 25 July 2017 14:23
>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
>> 
>> Hi Everyone
>> 
>> The Elbraille product looks to be a winner. I am interested in the view of
>> braillists on here if there is still a place for dedicated adapted products
>> such as BrailleNote Touch and Braillesense. I know the frustration  when
>> you  buy a dedicated device and find the hardware quickly becomes outdated
>> 
>> It would seem the Elbraille is a good investment as you won't get left
>> behind when windows upgrades become available and the braille display is
>> detachable and  not built into the hardware of the product
>> 
>> Tony
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Tony Fox
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>> On 25 July 2017 at 14:03, Terry Clasper <terry.clasper at btinternet.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> And Denis what ever happened to good old tech support from the supplier?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of dennis
>>> huckle
>>> Sent: 25 July 2017 14:01
>>> To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
>>> 
>>> What you get in the box is a braille document listing most jaws commands.
>>> However if any more help is needed You will get it on this list.
>>> They take a little getting used to, especially the modifier key
>>> commands, but once you get the idea its not too bad.
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Dennis huckle.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>> Michael Cassidy via Bcab
>>> Sent: 25 July 2017 13:51
>>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>> Cc: Michael Cassidy <mike.cassidy at ntlworld.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
>>> 
>>> Hi Dennis,
>>> 
>>> I like the thought of a small compact device, and I think the price of
>>> the 40-cell unit rules it out; I think I’ll be able to adapt to the
>>> 14-cell display without difficulty. Just the matter of getting used to
>>> the Jaws command set.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your thoughts; always helpful.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>>> On 25 Jul 2017, at 11:42, dennis huckle <muir1918 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mike, I agree about the 40 cell version of el braille, I feel sure
>>>> that
>>> it will, of course be more expensive but by the nature of the larger
>>> braille display will be larger in itself.
>>>> Using the device as I now do I find it easy and don't find the 14
>>>> cell
>>> display a problem having used an 80 cell on my pc at home.
>>>> Also, don't forget you can configer your 14 display to work with a
>>>> smart
>>> 'phone that is another plus as far as I am concerned. You don't have
>>> to remove the display to achieve this.
>>>> Also remember you can purchase this over a 12 month period.
>>>> Good luck,  I hope you will find something to suit your needs, Kind
>>>> regards, Dennis huckle.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
>>>> Michael Cassidy via Bcab
>>>> Sent: 25 July 2017 11:18
>>>> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
>>>> Cc: Michael Cassidy <mike.cassidy at ntlworld.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Sean,
>>>> 
>>>> I’ve been reviewing these emails as I’m thinking of purchasing one
>>>> of
>>> these. I see from Jonathan’s podcast that a 40-cell version is in the
>>> offing, but I haven’t seen the price tag! My blind-friendly notetakers
>>> are getting old and rather worn, and the cost of repair as against a
>>> new purchase have to be considered. I’ll have to be quick to decide as
>>> the offer closes on Friday.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>>> On 3 Jul 2017, at 12:40, Sean Randall <contact at seanrandall.me> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Folks
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I'm sure you all know by now, Jackie did a fantastic
>>>>> presentation on the ElBraille for BCAB members a few weeks ago. I'm
>>>>> showing a unit
>>> off to staff and students at work this week, so just wanted to throw
>>> my thoughts into the ring as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> My first impression, on just holding the thing in my hands, was how
>>>>> small it is.  Obviously, it's a bit bigger than the actual Focus
>>>>> 14 display which is one of the components, but it's not an unwieldy
>>>>> machine. In fact, with it in its carrying case and the shoulder
>>>>> strap attached I'm perfectly happy wandering around our campus.
>>>>> Ordinarily
>>> I'd have a laptop either under my arm or in a bag all its own, so
>>> that's a refreshing change.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't think I can quite express the joy of having a full Windows
>>>>> desktop in something so small. It weighs under 800 grams and is
>>>>> under
>>>>> 8 inches wide and yet I can run Office(Outlook, Word and Excel),,
>>>>> Dropbox and the web all at the same time. It does slow up a little
>>>>> on
>>> the task changes, especially when I've got gigantic web pages of
>>> tables open and workbooks full of graphs and charts. My inbox, a web
>>> page and a notepad though? It's a dream.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think the biggest problem people are going to have if they buy
>>>>> this thing is the fact that other notetakers have done us a
>> disservice.
>>>>> The ElBraille's biggest selling point is surely that it's a proper
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> 10 based system, and yet we've been using customised,
>>>>> blind-friendly Braille notetakers for so long that we will quite
>>>>> possibly struggle to adapt to navigating a full Windows interface
>>>>> with the efficiency we would like when there's no qwerty keyboard
>>>>> in the mix. Those few of us who use a Braille display for input as
>>>>> well as output will have no problems at all adapting to this
>>>>> system, but the vast majority of
>>> people I work with are full keyboard users and that presents a steep
>>> learning curve.  It's not just learning about navigation either,
>>> computer Braille, UEB and all this sort of thing comes into play. I
>>> have still not managed to press alt+f4 without pausing for a little
>>> while to think about what I'm going to press. I am sure, with use, I
>>> would do so - and become as proficient as possible, but I can really
>>> see how hard it would be for a qwerty user to move to this system at
>> least initially.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> That said, I think it's an excellent idea. My wish list for
>>>>> improvements or other options would include More RAM, a bigger
>>>>> display, perhaps an extra USB port. A smaller charger (to fit in
>>>>> the
>>> case), a bigger hard drive and perhaps a redesign of ElNotes (although
>>> decent notetaking is a Windows issue, not an ElBraille one).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The other slight annoyance for me is the lack of a lock; if I want
>>>>> to just hop between rooms I'd like a single keypress to lock the
>>>>> keyboard rather than a complex chord to learn. I can't seem to put
>>>>> the
>>> system to sleep either, you either leave it on, sign out, or shut down.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've so far used ElBraille to do some audio recording (with a
>>>>> decent USB microphone), but it works well for VOIP with my wired
>>>>> Apple earbuds, aside from general paperwork and reading. The
>>>>> portability and battery life are superb. Today I've watched Netflix
>>>>> in a taxi using
>>> my phone as a hotspot, minuted a meeting without using any speech,
>>> played an online game of cards and read the newspaper. Just today, and
>>> the battery is still over 80%. That's not counting the general
>>> emailing and web browsing between activities.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> So there you have it. An extraordinary amount to learn, but more in
>>>>> the JAWS and total Braille display space than from ElBraille
>>>>> itself. A
>>> very nice device to use, I think.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> S.
>>>>> 
>>>>> __
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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