[BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Steve Nutt steve at comproom.co.uk
Wed Jul 26 14:58:58 BST 2017


Hi,

No, it's that Handytech don't have a good distributor network in the UK.  I
thought Visionaid were taking them over, but that worries me.

Also, they are horrendously expensive displays.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Panagiotis
Antonopoulos
Sent: 26 July 2017 14:53
To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Hi all,
I have almost never heard the Active Braille that I use, or Handytech's
displays discussed, might it be that they are not popular in the UK? Anyway,
I think that the feel of it is also superb, extremely sturdy and natural
looking. When I sent it for maintenance, my dealer gave me a focus 40 blue
replacement for the time. I had no real problems with the feeling, but it
looked very mechanical to me, more a feeling of metal rather than plastic.
		Cheers,
		Takis	 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Sean Randall
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:25 PM
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

I do a lot with Dymo Tape! I am utterly offended by this message and demand
a full apology. On dymo tape of course!:D

Joking, naturally - I agree that the feel of the focus isn't anything like
the Vario. But then nor is the Cannute, nor is the Orbit.
You get what you pay for in dot quality sometimes.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday 26 July 2017 02:18 PM 
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Hi matthew,

That's the only reason I wouldn't buy one, the Braille on the Focus is
dreadful compared with other displays.  Like reading plastic dymo tape.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Matthew
Horspool
Sent: 25 July 2017 19:12
To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Hi Jim,
My braille music skills are shameful, so I must admit I hadn't thought about
using the Apex in that context, but it is a fantastic example of where a
braille first approach far outstrips a mainstream alternative.
I should stress here that I'm not deliberately trying to knock El Braille
and products like it. I saw one at Sight Village and wanted one straight
away purely because of how portable it is. Its most off-putting feature, for
me, is the Focus braille display that it pears with. If it paired with
something that had better quality braille - a Brailliant or a Vario Ultra or
something - I'd be much more tempted.
But I would be very interested to see how an El Braille coped with braille
music. Mary had a little lamb goes something like this:
Dot 5, ed sign, wh sign, th sign, wh sign, ed sign, ed sign, ed sign.
How would the back translator deal with the dot 5 ed sign? It isn't a known
contraction! If the back translator gets it wrong, what will the forward
translator give me in its place? How is that a reliable way of taking down
music dictation? Where is the mainstream advantage here?
Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of jim taylor
Sent: 25 July 2017 16:57
To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions



Matthew, I, a fellow Apex user, fully endorse what you say.   You 
could, of course, have put your t h sign or t h e sign in quotes, 
or written:  "T H sign, E A sign, T, R, E".   As for italics, 
again you could resort to block capitals or asterisks.

You did not mention the usefulness of the Apex's portability.   
Last night, in our choir rehearsal, we started work on three new 
carols for our Christmas carol service.   While the choirmaster 
was thumping out the bass parts on the piano, I was able to take them down
on the Apex (three cheers for Braille music!) and join in to the best of my
ability, even though nobody had thought to 
email me the words of the carols.   Still, what's a few la la la 
la la's between friends?   At least, I got the notes right, 
thanks to the Apex.

Apart from its ancient software, the only trouble with HumanWare is that not
all the technicians have taken the trouble to learn the rudiments of
Braille, but then my Apex has served me well for the past seven years and I
wouldn't be without it, despite its imperfections and inadequacies.

Warm regards,

Jim.


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