[BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Tony Fox tonyfox1 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 26 15:03:45 BST 2017


Hi Jackie

Yes, I totally agree with what you say.  You did a great job and were never
replaced.  It's a shame manufacturers don't insist on their distributors
employing blind users.

Tony





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On 26 July 2017 at 14:36, Jackie Brown <jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Tony
>
> So true.  You will know of course that I was never replaced when I left S
> and S.  Yes they paid lip service by sending people they could call upon to
> undertake Braille support, but that isn't the same.  I strongly suggested
> to Glenn that if he was to take the Braille portfolio seriously, he would
> need to employ a good Braillist, but I think he felt the saving on my
> salary was more important.  Well so be it!
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tony Fox
> Sent: 26 July 2017 14:29
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
>
> Hi Sean
>
> Point well made about support being so important for the schools market.
> I believe Humanware are  excellent for support  which is why they dominate
> the education market.
>  My own view is that if suppliers want to be serious about Braille products
> they need to employ blind people in their company.   It's sad to see some
> companies paying lip service to this and the sales people cannot even
> read Braille visually trying to demonstrate braille products
>
> Best Regards
>
>
> Tony Fox
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> On 26 July 2017 at 14:16, Sean Randall <contact at seanrandall.me> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I think S&S will be one of the big let downs for education.  The
> > ElBraille could be a great school product, Matthew's quibbles aside
> > which are valid but narrow in terms of mainstream education.
> > No matter how good the product though, bad support, inept sales people
> > and an unwillingness to engage with the users will scupper its chances
> > in schools I think.
> >
> > I also disagree strongly with Matthew's technician theory.  Give a
> > technician an elBraille with an HDMI adapter and they can put it onto
> > their network  howsoever they like. Again, it's the selling of it.
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steve
> > Nutt
> > Sent: Wednesday 26 July 2017 02:10 PM
> > To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
> > Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
> >
> > Actually, this is incorrect.  The first true Windows device was the
> > Esytime from Eurobraille.  It was under-specified, otherwise if it had
> > been on Windows 10, I believe it would be better than ElBraille, since
> > it had some music programs for importing Midi and producing Braille
> > music.  So for education, it would have been excellent.
> >
> > All the best
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of dennis
> > huckle
> > Sent: 25 July 2017 14:41
> > To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
> >
> > Hello tony,
> > El braille, as far as I am aware is the first tru windows all-in-one
> > device allowing control via a braille display,.
> > The older devices, although accessable in many ways were not a true
> > windows experience.
> > Even braille sense is not truly a windows device although, I
> > understand, many like it.
> > El braille is surely the way to go in allowing us braille users to get
> > the best out of windows.
> > Also, of course you can control a smart 'phone with the braille display.
> > Kind regards,
> > Dwennis huckle.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Tony
> > Fox
> > Sent: 25 July 2017 14:23
> > To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> > Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
> >
> > Hi Everyone
> >
> > The Elbraille product looks to be a winner. I am interested in the
> > view of braillists on here if there is still a place for dedicated
> > adapted products such as BrailleNote Touch and Braillesense. I know
> > the frustration  when you  buy a dedicated device and find the
> > hardware quickly becomes outdated
> >
> > It would seem the Elbraille is a good investment as you won't get left
> > behind when windows upgrades become available and the braille display
> > is detachable and  not built into the hardware of the product
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> >
> > Tony Fox
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> > On 25 July 2017 at 14:03, Terry Clasper <terry.clasper at btinternet.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > And Denis what ever happened to good old tech support from the
> supplier?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> > > dennis huckle
> > > Sent: 25 July 2017 14:01
> > > To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> > > Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
> > >
> > > What you get in the box is a braille document listing most jaws
> commands.
> > > However if any more help is needed You will get it on this list.
> > > They take a little getting used to, especially the modifier key
> > > commands, but once you get the idea its not too bad.
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Dennis huckle.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> > > Michael Cassidy via Bcab
> > > Sent: 25 July 2017 13:51
> > > To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> > > Cc: Michael Cassidy <mike.cassidy at ntlworld.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
> > >
> > > Hi Dennis,
> > >
> > > I like the thought of a small compact device, and I think the price
> > > of the 40-cell unit rules it out; I think I’ll be able to adapt to
> > > the 14-cell display without difficulty. Just the matter of getting
> > > used to the Jaws command set.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your thoughts; always helpful.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > > On 25 Jul 2017, at 11:42, dennis huckle <muir1918 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Mike, I agree about the 40 cell version of el braille, I feel sure
> > > > that
> > > it will, of course be more expensive but by the nature of the larger
> > > braille display will be larger in itself.
> > > > Using the device as I now do I find it easy and don't find the 14
> > > > cell
> > > display a problem having used an 80 cell on my pc at home.
> > > > Also, don't forget you can configer your 14 display to work with a
> > > > smart
> > > 'phone that is another plus as far as I am concerned. You don't have
> > > to remove the display to achieve this.
> > > > Also remember you can purchase this over a 12 month period.
> > > > Good luck,  I hope you will find something to suit your needs,
> > > > Kind regards, Dennis huckle.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of
> > > > Michael Cassidy via Bcab
> > > > Sent: 25 July 2017 11:18
> > > > To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> > > > Cc: Michael Cassidy <mike.cassidy at ntlworld.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions
> > > >
> > > > Hi Sean,
> > > >
> > > > I’ve been reviewing these emails as I’m thinking of purchasing one
> > > > of
> > > these. I see from Jonathan’s podcast that a 40-cell version is in
> > > the offing, but I haven’t seen the price tag! My blind-friendly
> > > notetakers are getting old and rather worn, and the cost of repair
> > > as against a new purchase have to be considered. I’ll have to be
> > > quick to decide as the offer closes on Friday.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >> On 3 Jul 2017, at 12:40, Sean Randall <contact at seanrandall.me>
> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi Folks
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> As I'm sure you all know by now, Jackie did a fantastic
> > > >> presentation on the ElBraille for BCAB members a few weeks ago.
> > > >> I'm showing a unit
> > > off to staff and students at work this week, so just wanted to throw
> > > my thoughts into the ring as well.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> My first impression, on just holding the thing in my hands, was
> > > >> how small it is.  Obviously, it's a bit bigger than the actual
> > > >> Focus
> > > >> 14 display which is one of the components, but it's not an
> > > >> unwieldy machine. In fact, with it in its carrying case and the
> > > >> shoulder strap attached I'm perfectly happy wandering around our
> campus.
> > > >> Ordinarily
> > > I'd have a laptop either under my arm or in a bag all its own, so
> > > that's a refreshing change.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't think I can quite express the joy of having a full
> > > >> Windows desktop in something so small. It weighs under 800 grams
> > > >> and is under
> > > >> 8 inches wide and yet I can run Office(Outlook, Word and Excel),,
> > > >> Dropbox and the web all at the same time. It does slow up a
> > > >> little on
> > > the task changes, especially when I've got gigantic web pages of
> > > tables open and workbooks full of graphs and charts. My inbox, a web
> > > page and a notepad though? It's a dream.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I think the biggest problem people are going to have if they buy
> > > >> this thing is the fact that other notetakers have done us a
> > disservice.
> > > >> The ElBraille's biggest selling point is surely that it's a
> > > >> proper Windows
> > > >> 10 based system, and yet we've been using customised,
> > > >> blind-friendly Braille notetakers for so long that we will quite
> > > >> possibly struggle to adapt to navigating a full Windows interface
> > > >> with the efficiency we would like when there's no qwerty keyboard
> > > >> in the mix. Those few of us who use a Braille display for input
> > > >> as well as output will have no problems at all adapting to this
> > > >> system, but the vast majority of
> > > people I work with are full keyboard users and that presents a steep
> > > learning curve.  It's not just learning about navigation either,
> > > computer Braille, UEB and all this sort of thing comes into play. I
> > > have still not managed to press alt+f4 without pausing for a little
> > > while to think about what I'm going to press. I am sure, with use, I
> > > would do so - and become as proficient as possible, but I can really
> > > see how hard it would be for a qwerty user to move to this system at
> > least initially.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> That said, I think it's an excellent idea. My wish list for
> > > >> improvements or other options would include More RAM, a bigger
> > > >> display, perhaps an extra USB port. A smaller charger (to fit in
> > > >> the
> > > case), a bigger hard drive and perhaps a redesign of ElNotes
> > > (although decent notetaking is a Windows issue, not an ElBraille one).
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> The other slight annoyance for me is the lack of a lock; if I
> > > >> want to just hop between rooms I'd like a single keypress to lock
> > > >> the keyboard rather than a complex chord to learn. I can't seem
> > > >> to put the
> > > system to sleep either, you either leave it on, sign out, or shut down.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I've so far used ElBraille to do some audio recording (with a
> > > >> decent USB microphone), but it works well for VOIP with my wired
> > > >> Apple earbuds, aside from general paperwork and reading. The
> > > >> portability and battery life are superb. Today I've watched
> > > >> Netflix in a taxi using
> > > my phone as a hotspot, minuted a meeting without using any speech,
> > > played an online game of cards and read the newspaper. Just today,
> > > and the battery is still over 80%. That's not counting the general
> > > emailing and web browsing between activities.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> So there you have it. An extraordinary amount to learn, but more
> > > >> in the JAWS and total Braille display space than from ElBraille
> > > >> itself. A
> > > very nice device to use, I think.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> S.
> > > >>
> > > >> __
> > > >>
> > > >> Sean Randall
> > > >>
> > > >> IT and Accessibility Specialist
> > > >>
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> > > >>
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> > > >>
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