[BCAB] HandyTech displays, was: ElBraille First Impressions

Steve Nutt steve at comproom.co.uk
Fri Jul 28 08:59:30 BST 2017


Hi Jackie,

>From memrory, this was always a problem with the HT Comm software, it was
proprietary.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown
Sent: 27 July 2017 09:20
To: pantonop at windtools.gr; 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] HandyTech displays, was: ElBraille First Impressions

Hi Takis

So you are saying the ATC doesn't work in Windows 10 running JAWS?  And as
for the transfer of files, are you not able to do this using a pen stick and
bypassing the HTCom software?

Sorry if I am misunderstanding the below.

Kind regards,

Jackie Brown
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Panagiotis
Antonopoulos
Sent: 27 July 2017 09:12
To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: [BCAB] FW: ElBraille First Impressions

Hi All,
The forwarded reply, regarding mainly handytech, was meant to be to our
list. However, I did not realize that Jackie was responding to me offlist,
so was the only one who received it. Jackie, I apologise that you are
receiving it twice, but I think it might be useful to all of our group.
		Cheers,
		TakIs

-----Original Message-----
From: Panagiotis Antonopoulos [mailto:pantonop at windtools.gr]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 5:32 PM
To: 'Jackie Brown'
Subject: RE: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Yes Jackie, they are very expensive, thatàs why I cannot consider getting a
second one for my office. The plus thing is that they are also standalone
pieces, useful for storing lectures, lessons etc, but they are as yet not
supporting internet by themselves. The big innovation is what they call ATC
facility, by which the system automatically detects that you hand is at the
end of the line and can automatically scroll on, thus greatly increasing
speed for experienced braillists. Unfortunately for me, once I upgraded to
win10, there seems to be a serious conflict between their software, used for
transferring files etc, and jaws, with the ATC facility also not working. My
Greek dealer who is also the Handytech supplier here has been trying to get
this sorted out with the mother company, but has not been successful as yet.
They say itàs a Microsoft problem, but it does work if jaws is deactivated,
which in my case means that my sighted brother or my dealer need interfere
via teamviewer to send files to the display when I need them, a task I could
perform myself without external assistance. My techie told me that it
appears I just happened to be one of very few instances that this has
happened on our planet, but we shall still persevere and I hope that I will
get these facilities again at some point. Otherwise, the display and
standalone system is very goold with other facilities as organizer,
calculator etc, ready at hand.
		Cheers,
				Takis	

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie Brown [mailto:jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:59 PM
To: pantonop at windtools.gr; 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: RE: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Hi Takis

If I could afford one, I would have a Handy Tech Braille display in a
heartbeat.  I think they are the best units on the market.  VisionAid has
taken over these in the UK now I understand.  They don't get discussed as
often probably because of their cost.  So I just go on dreaming a fairy
godmother comes my way, or a magic Santa drops down the chimney, I leave the
fireplace ready just in case! (smile.)

Kind regards,

Jackie Brown
Email: Jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Follow me on Twitter:
@thebrownsplace Skype name: thejackmate


-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Panagiotis
Antonopoulos
Sent: 26 July 2017 14:53
To: 'BCAB Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Hi all,
I have almost never heard the Active Braille that I use, or Handytech's
displays discussed, might it be that they are not popular in the UK? Anyway,
I think that the feel of it is also superb, extremely sturdy and natural
looking. When I sent it for maintenance, my dealer gave me a focus 40 blue
replacement for the time. I had no real problems with the feeling, but it
looked very mechanical to me, more a feeling of metal rather than plastic.
		Cheers,
		Takis	 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Sean Randall
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:25 PM
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

I do a lot with Dymo Tape! I am utterly offended by this message and demand
a full apology. On dymo tape of course!:D

Joking, naturally - I agree that the feel of the focus isn't anything like
the Vario. But then nor is the Cannute, nor is the Orbit.
You get what you pay for in dot quality sometimes.

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IT and Accessibility Specialist
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday 26 July 2017 02:18 PM
To: 'BCAB Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Hi matthew,

That's the only reason I wouldn't buy one, the Braille on the Focus is
dreadful compared with other displays.  Like reading plastic dymo tape.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Matthew
Horspool
Sent: 25 July 2017 19:12
To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions

Hi Jim,
My braille music skills are shameful, so I must admit I hadn't thought about
using the Apex in that context, but it is a fantastic example of where a
braille first approach far outstrips a mainstream alternative.
I should stress here that I'm not deliberately trying to knock El Braille
and products like it. I saw one at Sight Village and wanted one straight
away purely because of how portable it is. Its most off-putting feature, for
me, is the Focus braille display that it pears with. If it paired with
something that had better quality braille - a Brailliant or a Vario Ultra or
something - I'd be much more tempted.
But I would be very interested to see how an El Braille coped with braille
music. Mary had a little lamb goes something like this:
Dot 5, ed sign, wh sign, th sign, wh sign, ed sign, ed sign, ed sign.
How would the back translator deal with the dot 5 ed sign? It isn't a known
contraction! If the back translator gets it wrong, what will the forward
translator give me in its place? How is that a reliable way of taking down
music dictation? Where is the mainstream advantage here?
Matthew

-----Original Message-----
From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of jim taylor
Sent: 25 July 2017 16:57
To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [BCAB] ElBraille First Impressions



Matthew, I, a fellow Apex user, fully endorse what you say.   You 
could, of course, have put your t h sign or t h e sign in quotes, 
or written:  "T H sign, E A sign, T, R, E".   As for italics, 
again you could resort to block capitals or asterisks.

You did not mention the usefulness of the Apex's portability.   
Last night, in our choir rehearsal, we started work on three new 
carols for our Christmas carol service.   While the choirmaster 
was thumping out the bass parts on the piano, I was able to take them down
on the Apex (three cheers for Braille music!) and join in to the best of my
ability, even though nobody had thought to 
email me the words of the carols.   Still, what's a few la la la 
la la's between friends?   At least, I got the notes right, 
thanks to the Apex.

Apart from its ancient software, the only trouble with HumanWare is that not
all the technicians have taken the trouble to learn the rudiments of
Braille, but then my Apex has served me well for the past seven years and I
wouldn't be without it, despite its imperfections and inadequacies.

Warm regards,

Jim.


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