[BCAB] My new ElBraill

john gallagher john at pianotuner.plus.com
Mon Jul 31 10:16:08 BST 2017


hi there 
it's all to do with" one word.
money. 

----- Original Message -----
From: dennis huckle  <muir1918 at gmail.com>
To: "'Bcab Discussion List'"  <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Date: Monday, 31 July 2017 10.11 am
Subject: Re: [BCAB] My new ElBraill

>
>
> Hi Jackie and Steve,
> I remember the days when guides for certain products were produced in
> braille.
> In terms of tec products, remember "Windows 7 explained"?
> I also purchased a guide called getting started with my iphone from the
> states, also a braille guide to voice-over, again from the states.
> Why can't a group of companies get together to produce these guides?.
> It is though incumbent on access companies to provide guides of some sort in
> braille.
> Kind regards,
> Dennis huckle.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown
> Sent: 31 July 2017 09.24
> To: 'Bcab Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] My new ElBraill
> 
> Hi Steve
> 
> I take your point that many mainstream devices are devoid of instructions,
> but I do take issue with access technology companies omitting them.  After
> all, the kit they sell costs a lot of money, and it is in their interests to
> ensure their customers get the best out of it by providing clear
> instructions in an appropriate format for the job.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Jackie Brown
> Email: ,j;ackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
> Check out my website: www.thebrownsplace.info Follow me on Twitter:
> @thebrownsplace Skype name: thejackmate
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
> Sent: 31 July 2017 08.50
> To: 'Bcab Discussion List' <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] My new ElBraill
> 
> Hi Adrian,
> 
> I don't think it's limited to accessible products.  Consider when you buy a
> new phone or tablet.  As a blind or sighted person, you get no
> documentation, you only get help online that is built into the device.  It's
> the way things are going.  I'm not suggesting it's right, but I don't think
> we can throw blame at access tech companies per se.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bcab [mailto:bcab-bounces at lists.bcab.org.uk] On Behalf Of Adrian
> Picton via Bcab
> Sent: 28 July 2017 23.56
> To: BCAB Discussion List <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Cc: Adrian Picton <adrian.picton at yahoo.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] My new ElBraill
> 
> Isn't that so typical of many technology products for visually impaired
> people? They develop a product which is accessible out of the box and then
> ruin the whole experience by failing to provide adequate documentation, let
> alone in an accessible format. All too often you have to operate the device
> to access the manual or a help system.
> 
> Adrian.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On 28 Jul 2017, at 23.28, Georgina Joyce <gena at gena-j.me.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I received mine yesterday. The Focus 14 had some print and braille
> documentation but the El Braille did not.
> > 
> > I have forwarded you a message that has html copy of the quick start 
> > guide
> that another list subscriber had provided me.
> > 
> > HTH
> > 
> > Gena
> > 
> 0was On 28 Jul 2017, at 21.23, Elspeth Pearce via Bcab
> <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk> wrote:
> 0was 
> 0was 
> 0was I received the above today minus a starter guide or any kind of
> documentation.  I did not find any online documenttion.  Should there have
> instructions in the box? If not. Where can i get them? 
> 0was 
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