[BCAB] over the edge

Steve Nutt steve at comproom.co.uk
Mon Mar 19 09:16:49 GMT 2018


Hi Jackie,

I'm not getting the Outlook thing here, in fact I've never seen JAWS work so
well with Outlook as it does with this build.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie Brown <jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com> 
Sent: 19 March 2018 08:25
To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
Subject: Re: [BCAB] over the edge

Hi David

I agree with much of what you say.  I find JAWS 2018 latest build fine for
most things, but one of the big problems I have with it at present, as with
previous builds for some time, is that I have to unload and reload it in
Outlook.  When I hit control with r to reply to a message, nothing happens
after a while, and only unloading and reloading JAWS allows me to reply.  I
certainly don't find it works that well with Edge though I have managed to
shop using it.

I agree too that the VFO group needs to up its game, they make lots of
positive noises, but the end result is often very disappointing.


Kind regards,

Jackie Brown 

----- Original Message -----
From: David Griffith  <daj.griffith at gmail.com>
To: BCAB Discussion List  <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Date: Monday, 19 March 2018 7.37
Subject: Re: [BCAB] over the edge

>
>
> I would be reasonably happy using Edge with NVDA.  What is the problem 
> with adding Favorites? Control D works fine for me in Edge? If you want to
retrieve Favorites press F6 and navigate to Favorites list. You can navigate
your favourites list there normally with arrow keys.
> I find Edge does work fairly well with NVDA and can complete shopping for
example with Sainsburys without issue. 
> Occasionally you lose speech but the useful "restart" function of NVDA,
simply press control alt and N will normally clear any problem and will
allow you to continue using the browser without having to reload a page etc.
> Jaws prior to the latest update was pretty dreadful even with Edge support
turned on. I have not tried it  since last week's update but as this update
has for me at least slowed up Jaws 2018 significantly and seems to have
deteriorated responsiveness  and appropriate focus in apps like Windows mail
I have not been tempted to try it  again with Edge.
> I agree that VFO in my view need to significantly up their game with jaws.
I still find I have to use not 1 but actually 3 screenreaders, Jaws, NVDA
and Narrator. Jaws starts up as my default screenreader  but too often I am
forced into NVDA and Narrator because jaws cannot do the basics at an
acceptable standard. It is bizarre that they have still not sorted out
proper Audio Ducking rather than Audio suppression after from memory first
introducing this in jaws 16 and then almost instantly losing the proper
functionality.  This is a big deal for hearing impaired users. NVDA and
narrator both handle this properly and have done so for a long time. You
still cannot use fast forward and rewind keyboard shortcuts in iTunes with
jaws after several years of this support being available in NVDA. If you use
control alt left and right arrow whilst playing Music in iTunes with jaws it
absurdly reports not in a table. ITunes is not an obscure application, and
whilst it may not be everybody's cup of tea FS has often claimed support for
iTunes as a Jaws selling point, including demonstrations in FSCast Podcasts.
As I say these and other problems persists for years over multiple Jaws
versions, even though I have reported them as issues, including the yearly
beta cycles.
> Jaws consistently lags behind not just Narrator but NVDA  in support for
inbuilt Windows apps. I unloaded Jaws about 15 minutes ago because it was
becoming unresponsive with Windows mail and had to switch to NVDA to write
this email. 
> On the other hand although it has slowed up since last week's update Jaws
is still far more responsive with things like File Explorer than NVDA and
if using NVDA I normally have to switch to using Explorer 6!.
> Still I expect more for my yearly payment to VFO for Jaws I must say.
>  David Griffith
> My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
> http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
> My Blind hammer Blog
> https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
> 
> From: Tom Reid via Bcab
> Sent: 19 March 2018 06.28
> To: 'Bcab Discussion List'
> Cc: Tom Reid
> Subject: [BCAB] over the edge
> 
>                 Does anybody think edge is worth using?
> 
>  
> 
> It seems to load very slowly and the pages are not easy to navigate. 
> Padma referred to the difficulty of adding favourites the other day 
> and it seems there is no easy answer to this.
> 
>  
> 
> I'm using the latest jaws 2018.
> 
>  
> 
> If nvda is any better, it's a disgrace that a paid for screen reader 
> has taken so long to work properly.
> 
>  
> 
> Tom
> 
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