[BCAB] over the edge

Steve Nutt steve at comproom.co.uk
Mon Mar 19 12:24:31 GMT 2018


Hi Jackie,

With Outlook 2013 I've seen it, but not 2016.

Time to upgrade?

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Jackie Brown <jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com> 
Sent: 19 March 2018 09:28
To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
Subject: Re: [BCAB] over the edge

I've had it since 18 with Outlook 2013.  I can reply to messages using the
shortcut for a while, then nothing happens and only a reload of JAWS works.
I thought you said Steve that you could confirm this when I raised it on the
list some months back! I can live with it, but really it shouldn't happen.



Kind regards,

Jackie Brown 

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt  <steve at comproom.co.uk>
To: "'Bcab Discussion List'"  <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Date: Monday, 19 March 2018 9.17
Subject: Re: [BCAB] over the edge

>
>
> Hi Jackie,
> 
> I'm not getting the Outlook thing here, in fact I've never seen JAWS 
> work so well with Outlook as it does with this build.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jackie Brown <jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com>
> Sent: 19 March 2018 08.25
> To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] over the edge
> 
> Hi David
> 
> I agree with much of what you say.  I find JAWS 2018 latest build fine 
> for most things, but one of the big problems I have with it at 
> present, as with previous builds for some time, is that I have to 
> unload and reload it in Outlook.  When I hit control with r to reply 
> to a message, nothing happens after a while, and only unloading and 
> reloading JAWS allows me to reply.  I certainly don't find it works 
> that well with Edge though I have managed to shop using it.
> 
> I agree too that the VFO group needs to up its game, they make lots of 
> positive noises, but the end result is often very disappointing.
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Jackie Brown
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Griffith  <daj.griffith at gmail.com>
> To: BCAB Discussion List  <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Date: Monday, 19 March 2018 7.37
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] over the edge
> 
> >
> >
> > I would be reasonably happy using Edge with NVDA.  What is the 
> > problem with adding Favorites? Control D works fine for me in Edge? 
> > If you want to
> retrieve Favorites press F6 and navigate to Favorites list. You can 
> navigate your favourites list there normally with arrow keys.
> > I find Edge does work fairly well with NVDA and can complete 
> > shopping for
> example with Sainsburys without issue. 
> > Occasionally you lose speech but the useful "restart" function of 
> > NVDA,
> simply press control alt and N will normally clear any problem and 
> will allow you to continue using the browser without having to reload a
page etc.
> > Jaws prior to the latest update was pretty dreadful even with Edge 
> > support
> turned on. I have not tried it  since last week's update but as this 
> update has for me at least slowed up Jaws 2018 significantly and seems 
> to have deteriorated responsiveness  and appropriate focus in apps 
> like Windows mail I have not been tempted to try it  again with Edge.
> > I agree that VFO in my view need to significantly up their game with
jaws.
> I still find I have to use not 1 but actually 3 screenreaders, Jaws, 
> NVDA and Narrator. Jaws starts up as my default screenreader  but too 
> often I am forced into NVDA and Narrator because jaws cannot do the 
> basics at an acceptable standard. It is bizarre that they have still 
> not sorted out proper Audio Ducking rather than Audio suppression 
> after from memory first introducing this in jaws 16 and then almost 
> instantly losing the proper functionality.  This is a big deal for 
> hearing impaired users. NVDA and narrator both handle this properly 
> and have done so for a long time. You still cannot use fast forward 
> and rewind keyboard shortcuts in iTunes with jaws after several years 
> of this support being available in NVDA. If you use control alt left 
> and right arrow whilst playing Music in iTunes with jaws it absurdly 
> reports not in a table. ITunes is not an obscure application, and 
> whilst it may not be everybody's cup of tea FS has often claimed support
for iTunes as a Jaws selling point, including demonstrations in FSCast
Podcasts.
> As I say these and other problems persists for years over multiple 
> Jaws versions, even though I have reported them as issues, including 
> the yearly beta cycles.
> > Jaws consistently lags behind not just Narrator but NVDA  in support 
> > for
> inbuilt Windows apps. I unloaded Jaws about 15 minutes ago because it 
> was becoming unresponsive with Windows mail and had to switch to NVDA 
> to write this email.
> > On the other hand although it has slowed up since last week's update 
> > Jaws
> is still far more responsive with things like File Explorer than NVDA 
> and if using NVDA I normally have to switch to using Explorer 6!.
> > Still I expect more for my yearly payment to VFO for Jaws I must say.
> >  David Griffith
> > My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
> > http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
> > My Blind hammer Blog
> > https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
> > 
> > From: Tom Reid via Bcab
> > Sent: 19 March 2018 06.28
> > To: 'Bcab Discussion List'
> > Cc: Tom Reid
> > Subject: [BCAB] over the edge
> > 
> >                 Does anybody think edge is worth using?
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > It seems to load very slowly and the pages are not easy to navigate. 
> > Padma referred to the difficulty of adding favourites the other day 
> > and it seems there is no easy answer to this.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I'm using the latest jaws 2018.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > If nvda is any better, it's a disgrace that a paid for screen reader 
> > has taken so long to work properly.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
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