[BCAB] over the edge

Jackie Brown jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 19 17:09:56 GMT 2018


Hi Steve

When I give my machine a makeover I will upgrade, but I can't at the moment because my machine seems to get upset with 2016 and I'm not going there right now!!



Kind regards,

Jackie Brown 

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt  <steve at comproom.co.uk>
To: "'Bcab Discussion List'"  <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
Date: Monday, 19 March 2018 12.25
Subject: Re: [BCAB] over the edge

>
>
> Hi Jackie,
> 
> With Outlook 2013 I've seen it, but not 2016.
> 
> Time to upgrade?
> 
> All the best
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jackie Brown <jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com> 
> Sent: 19 March 2018 09.28
> To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] over the edge
> 
> I've had it since 18 with Outlook 2013.  I can reply to messages using the
> shortcut for a while, then nothing happens and only a reload of JAWS works.
> I thought you said Steve that you could confirm this when I raised it on the
> list some months back! I can live with it, but really it shouldn't happen.
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Jackie Brown 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Steve Nutt  <steve at comproom.co.uk>
> To: "'Bcab Discussion List'"  <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> Date: Monday, 19 March 2018 9.17
> Subject: Re: [BCAB] over the edge
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi Jackie,
> > 
> > I'm not getting the Outlook thing here, in fact I've never seen JAWS 
> > work so well with Outlook as it does with this build.
> > 
> > All the best
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jackie Brown <jackieannbrown62 at gmail.com>
> > Sent: 19 March 2018 08.25
> > To: bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk
> > Subject: Re: [BCAB] over the edge
> > 
> > Hi David
> > 
> > I agree with much of what you say.  I find JAWS 2018 latest build fine 
> > for most things, but one of the big problems I have with it at 
> > present, as with previous builds for some time, is that I have to 
> > unload and reload it in Outlook.  When I hit control with r to reply 
> > to a message, nothing happens after a while, and only unloading and 
> > reloading JAWS allows me to reply.  I certainly don't find it works 
> > that well with Edge though I have managed to shop using it.
> > 
> > I agree too that the VFO group needs to up its game, they make lots of 
> > positive noises, but the end result is often very disappointing.
> > 
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > 
> > Jackie Brown
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: David Griffith  <daj.griffith at gmail.com>
> > To: BCAB Discussion List  <bcab at lists.bcab.org.uk>
> > Date: Monday, 19 March 2018 7.37
> > Subject: Re: [BCAB] over the edge
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > I would be reasonably happy using Edge with NVDA.  What is the 
> > > problem with adding Favorites? Control D works fine for me in Edge? 
> > > If you want to
> > retrieve Favorites press F6 and navigate to Favorites list. You can 
> > navigate your favourites list there normally with arrow keys.
> > > I find Edge does work fairly well with NVDA and can complete 
> > > shopping for
> > example with Sainsburys without issue. 
> > > Occasionally you lose speech but the useful "restart" function of 
> > > NVDA,
> > simply press control alt and N will normally clear any problem and 
> > will allow you to continue using the browser without having to reload a
> page etc.
> > > Jaws prior to the latest update was pretty dreadful even with Edge 
> > > support
> > turned on. I have not tried it  since last week's update but as this 
> > update has for me at least slowed up Jaws 2018 significantly and seems 
> > to have deteriorated responsiveness  and appropriate focus in apps 
> > like Windows mail I have not been tempted to try it  again with Edge.
> > > I agree that VFO in my view need to significantly up their game with
> jaws.
> > I still find I have to use not 1 but actually 3 screenreaders, Jaws, 
> > NVDA and Narrator. Jaws starts up as my default screenreader  but too 
> > often I am forced into NVDA and Narrator because jaws cannot do the 
> > basics at an acceptable standard. It is bizarre that they have still 
> > not sorted out proper Audio Ducking rather than Audio suppression 
> > after from memory first introducing this in jaws 16 and then almost 
> > instantly losing the proper functionality.  This is a big deal for 
> > hearing impaired users. NVDA and narrator both handle this properly 
> > and have done so for a long time. You still cannot use fast forward 
> > and rewind keyboard shortcuts in iTunes with jaws after several years 
> > of this support being available in NVDA. If you use control alt left 
> > and right arrow whilst playing Music in iTunes with jaws it absurdly 
> > reports not in a table. ITunes is not an obscure application, and 
> > whilst it may not be everybody's cup of tea FS has often claimed support
> for iTunes as a Jaws selling point, including demonstrations in FSCast
> Podcasts.
> > As I say these and other problems persists for years over multiple 
> > Jaws versions, even though I have reported them as issues, including 
> > the yearly beta cycles.
> > > Jaws consistently lags behind not just Narrator but NVDA  in support 
> > > for
> > inbuilt Windows apps. I unloaded Jaws about 15 minutes ago because it 
> > was becoming unresponsive with Windows mail and had to switch to NVDA 
> > to write this email.
> > > On the other hand although it has slowed up since last week's update 
> > > Jaws
> > is still far more responsive with things like File Explorer than NVDA 
> > and if using NVDA I normally have to switch to using Explorer 6!.
> > > Still I expect more for my yearly payment to VFO for Jaws I must say.
> > >  David Griffith
> > > My Blind Access and Guide dog Blog
> > > http://dgriffithblog.wordpress.com/
> > > My Blind hammer Blog
> > > https://www.westhamtillidie.com/authors/blind-hammer/posts
> > > 
> > > From: Tom Reid via Bcab
> > > Sent: 19 March 2018 06.28
> > > To: 'Bcab Discussion List'
> > > Cc: Tom Reid
> > > Subject: [BCAB] over the edge
> > > 
> > >                 Does anybody think edge is worth using?
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > It seems to load very slowly and the pages are not easy to navigate. 
> > > Padma referred to the difficulty of adding favourites the other day 
> > > and it seems there is no easy answer to this.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > I'm using the latest jaws 2018.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > If nvda is any better, it's a disgrace that a paid for screen reader 
> > > has taken so long to work properly.
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > Tom
> > > 
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